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 andrewescott |
Please make Add Page work nicely
Jun 27 2007, 8:33 AM EDT Currently when a new page is added, it is inserted into a default position of immediately below the page being viewed. In general, this behaviour is really bad. For my wiki (www.99sauces.com), all pages should be added in at the top level - there is basically no hierarchy. Can you please allow the default behaviour of page adds be set on a per-wiki basis? I would like my default to be "add new pages to top level". Similarly, the default position (ordering) of a new page is to the end of all pages at the same level. For my wiki, this makes little sense, as there is no chronological nature to any of the pages. The previous behaviour of alphabetical order was ideal. Can you please allow the default insertion point to be set on a per-wiki basis? At top, at bottom, or in sorted location would all be great options. I would like my default to be "add new pages into the sorted location". Without these minor defaults being customisable, I need to regularly move newly added pages around. It's a pain, particularly as the default behaviour used to be better, and all of the moves are done rather mechanically so could easily be done by the system. 2 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
 budde |
RE: Please make Add Page work nicely
Jun 27 2007, 8:46 AM EDT "Currently when a new page is added, it is inserted into a default position of immediately below the page being viewed. In general, this behaviour is really bad. For my wiki (www.99sauces.com), all pages should be added in at the top level - there is basically no hierarchy. Can you please allow the default behaviour of page adds be set on a per-wiki basis? I would like my default to be "add new pages to top level".Maybe Choose from Settings how you want the New Pages Placed. Josh Do you find this valuable? |
 Jason_wetpaint |
RE: Please make Add Page work nicely
Jun 27 2007, 11:44 AM EDT You can set a page's location, including it's order, while in the Add Page dialog. Do you find this valuable? |
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andrewescott |
RE: Please make Add Page work nicely
Jun 27 2007, 8:00 PM EDT "You can set a page's location, including it's order, while in the Add Page dialog."Actually, not everyone can set the page order. So, this means I have to go back and do it every single time a new page is added by an anonymous user (for example). However, even those users that could set the page order don't. This is not me speaking hypothetically, but expressing a real complaint! Because the default behaviour is broken, I have to continually fix any new pages that are added. Users simply don't expect a new page to appear where it does. They expect something sensible to happen by default, so they don't bother messing with the order. Do you find this valuable? |
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Jason_wetpaint |
RE: Please make Add Page work nicely
Jun 27 2007, 11:12 PM EDT Thanks for the suggestion. A default order option may be something we do in the future. When we released the new Move Page functionality six weeks ago, it was an implementation of a one of the most-requested improvements we've ever had. While there will be some tweaks to the interface coming in a future release, the functionality is something people seem pretty pleased with. Anonymous users who have the ability to add pages do not have the ability to move them. This is intentional. Since navigation changes are not tracked as part of the page history, this isn't an easily-undo-able activity by reverting a page or deleting one created by mistake. If you allow anonymous users to add pages, you're going to have to expect to do some moderation tasks. Your wiki has a lot of pages. Most other wikis use categories to group their pages or, in the case of alphabetical lists, groups of letters, like A-D. The Sitemap feature continues to show pages in an alphabetical list, by the way. Do you find this valuable? |
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andrewescott |
RE: Please make Add Page work nicely
Aug 13 2007, 9:02 AM EDT The WetPaint philosophy when adding a new feature seems to be that it is great to add new functionality, but it is better to break old functionality. It would've been possible to add the ability to move pages around without impacting anyone who didn't want to use it. However, it wasn't done this way of course. The ability to move pages was added, but the default behaviour changed from pages appearing in alphabetical order to pages appearing in order of being added. Note that your suggestion to add another level of hierarchy does not improve matters much. In fact, it would probably make maintaining the site even worse. As new pages get added, I need to perform literally many dozens of clicks just to get the page to appear in a logical place (the same place it would've appeared in before you added this feature). If I have (say) 200 pages, and they are split into 5 groups of 40 pages each, then I still need to perform on average 20 clicks to get each new page into position. And when the 40 pages in a sublist become 200 pages, the problem is as big as it was before, requiring a new set of groups to be created, and all those pages moved into them. Which may require thousands of clicks! This is not scalable. If WetPaint is not intended for wikis bigger than (say) 50 pages, then please make this clear. I will go elsewhere. Do you find this valuable? |
 jeremy_wetpaint |
RE: Please make Add Page work nicely
Aug 14 2007, 3:15 PM EDT Sorry for your frustration. Wetpaint obviously does not intend to alienate anyone. The vast majority of Wetpaint sites do have less than 50 pages so most users have not run into the issue that you have addressed. As far as I know, you are the first to bring this up. When we first released the custom page ordering feature that was some talk about how pages should be added by default and it was decided that putting sites in alpha numeric order was just as arbitrary as anything. I will bring this up with the rest of the team this week. A possible solution would be to have a feature that allows users to set how the default order works when new pages are added. Some may want them to fall into alphabetical order, some may want them to stay in the order they are created. Do you find this valuable? |
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andrewescott |
RE: Please make Add Page work nicely
Aug 15 2007, 6:26 AM EDT Thanks Jeremy. That would be great. Do you find this valuable? |
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tonygoodwin tonygoodwin |
RE: Please make Add Page work nicely
Oct 20 2008, 1:31 PM EDT I've just been adding a lot of pages to a new site ( a list of definitions) and we will end up with more than 50 pages too. I would like the add page to work better than it does - want a changed default location, and when adding a page to automatically go into edit mode - both to be controlled by user preference. As far as the page sequence is concerned, perhaps an alphabeticel option as well as a chronological one would be good - in my definitions I'm ordering from A-Z and as the site grows the time taken to move each page to its correct position from the bottom grows longer and longer!! The defaults could be whatever wetpaint suggest (or set bu Wiki) then changable by user. I know this might be painful to implement, but to grow, you have to deluiver on the demands. I must say I've been very pleased so far. Do you find this valuable? |
