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TheXenaraque
TheXenaraque
It's been a while
Dec 1 2011, 2:11 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 1 2011, 2:11 PM EST
Jeremy, I ask that you answer my messages I've sent to you so many times. It's urgent, and I feel as if you do not care about the things Wetpaint Users are asking assistance for. 2  out of 2 found this valuable. Do you?    
CryingDove
CryingDove
1. RE: It's been a while
Dec 1 2011, 2:28 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 1 2011, 2:30 PM EST
Jeremy's presence here on WPC is limited at present. If there are issues you need to resolve, please post them in a thread. Since Jeremy's responsibilities have grown and he has been redirected to other areas of Wetpaint, it leaves most of the problem solving responsibility, with the moderators of this wiki.

If your requests are for customization of your wiki, such as custom navigational links at the top or setting your wiki to a fixed width format, chances are they will not be done.

What do you need assistance on?

Please post it into a thread and do not message "all moderators". This will assist us in getting the proper reply to you and the community.

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Tosan139
Tosan139
2. RE: It's been a while
Dec 2 2011, 4:00 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 2 2011, 4:00 AM EST
"Jeremy, I ask that you answer my messages I've sent to you so many times. It's urgent, and I feel as if you do not care about the things Wetpaint Users are asking assistance for. "
Doesn't care? Trust me when I say this.. he cares! Just busy. Like Dove said, ask here/another thread. I'm sure Dove, Naru, or maybe I (but rarely on).. can help you!
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Marsden
Marsden
3. RE: It's been a while
Dec 2 2011, 9:40 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 2 2011, 9:40 AM EST
Wetpaint is collapsing. The platform is falling apart, even the staff on Central here has been plagued by dissent from within. It's no secret.

I'm seriously worried about the future of the wiki format. Wetpaint's other ventures will be it's ultimate demise.

We won't see anymore updates for a long time, in my view.
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Naru2008
Naru2008
4. RE: It's been a while
Dec 2 2011, 9:26 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 2 2011, 9:27 PM EST
Well it was announced we wouldn't have any new features added to the platform Marsden, ever since Ben Elowitz decided to go into the Television Entertainment business with our old Wetpaint name, leaving us to be re-named as Wikis by Wetpaint.

This new platform will always be updated multiple times daily, and so will the platform's Facebook account, but we will have to sacrifice our future platform features so that they can deal with the Entertainment platform.

As any other site that goes without upgrading, it starts to degenerate and people start leaving, disappointed. It also is taken over by spammers.

We are scrapping at something that isn't there and will most likely never be there again: Customer Care, Support, and upgrades.

Our connections with Wetpaint have went from several to just a single thread. Jeremy. We still don't hear/see much from him because of Ben's decisions for the company: Abandoning support for the Wiki Platform, turn all worker's direction toward the Entertainment Platform, and laying off many staff members.
Anyone remember Jason? I'm sure Rich and BA remember him well. I barely knew him, but that was because I was new. (I'm getting off topic, aren't I?)

The point is, the company has almost left us with NO connections what-so-ever, leaving us wiki users in the dust. The connection(s) we have with Jeremy has grown very very thin. I haven't seen him post or send any of us Mods a message this week, like he said he would, one day a week.
Thanks to Ben, Jeremy doesn't have time for us anymore, which forces us (The Community Moderators) to take control and take care of all your questions, problems, and/or concerns. (But we do that already. If you ask me, Wetpaint needs to pay us, but that's my opinion.)

Continued.
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Naru2008
Naru2008
5. RE: It's been a while
Dec 2 2011, 9:38 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 2 2011, 9:38 PM EST
Continued

It's not like it's a problem or a bother to us to help you guys. We don't mind. That's our job/responsibility. That's why we have helped, and worked our way up to Moderators. It doesn't bother us we take the free time we have out of our busy day to help you guys. (I say busy because I have school, and these last few weeks are terrible.) I should be getting a job soon, and I will have even less time to give, but I won't abandon this community, even if I agree with some of the comments I have heard be made about this community and the company.

But when Wetpaint leaves us volunteers to answer ALL the questions you guys have, and it's something out of our hands, we can't do anything about it. We don't have access to the servers at Wetpaint to fix anything, and if we did, CryingDove would be the only person out of us (that I know of) that is tech-savy enough to even understand how the servers work.
If it is something out of our hands, we have the displeasure (I'm sure) to tell to guys we can't do anything, and tell you guys to report to Jeremy about the problem, and constantly say "Jeremys very busy as his work around Wetpaint has expanded a lot to the point where he can only come on once a week to look at all our problems, questions, or concerns about the company's future and the platform itself, so it'll be a while before he gets to it." and you guys end up waiting weeks and weeks before you even get your question looked at, and a couple more before an answer or fix is given to you.

I'm not sure about the other Mods, but this makes me feel useless and bad for not being able to do anything about your problem(s) on my side of things, and you have to wait a long time for Jeremy to even address your concerns or questions.

Continued, once again
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Naru2008
Naru2008
6. RE: It's been a while
Dec 2 2011, 9:41 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 2 2011, 9:41 PM EST
Once again, continued...

Nothing has gone up-hill since Wetpaint Entertainment came and took away everything we once had. It's all been down-hill.

As I said on another company's forums, who is in a similar situation like ours, but it's not a wiki farm; "We made the company what it was, and we will be it's downfall. We'll be the reason it has a slow, painful death." (Something along those lines, anyways.)

Anyways, I'm done posting on this thread until someone posts again, making a comment or what not. This was a lot of work and took a bit of time to type all this on an iPod Touch. My fingers are starting to get sore. Lol.

-Clay
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TheXenaraque
TheXenaraque
7. RE: It's been a while
Dec 2 2011, 10:29 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 2 2011, 10:31 PM EST
I know I reported this issue a long time ago to I think two mods, and only one responded. Which I think was Naru. I'm going to skip the long and confusing story to just end up with this: my membership was canceled on three of my sites. All of them had tons of my work on it. Before that, the unknown person using my account had made all of them private. They eventually gave the account back, but I no longer had access to those three sites. I only ask that if SOMEONE can somehow unprivate those sites, and make me an admin so I can get my work back. I have TONS of proof to show that I actaully made those sites.

If this is possible, I thank you for taking the time to do this for me; it means a lot.
I can give whichever mod the site names (if of course, possible as said above.)
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CryingDove
CryingDove
8. RE: It's been a while
Dec 2 2011, 10:51 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 4 2011, 10:18 AM EST
"I know I reported this issue a long time ago to I think two mods, and only one responded. Which I think was Naru. I'm going to skip the long and confusing story to just end up with this: my membership was canceled on three of my sites. All of them had tons of my work on it. Before that, the unknown person using my account had made all of them private. They eventually gave the account back, but I no longer had access to those three sites. I only ask that if SOMEONE can somehow unprivate those sites, and make me an admin so I can get my work back. I have TONS of proof to show that I actaully made those sites.

If this is possible, I thank you for taking the time to do this for me; it means a lot.
I can give whichever mod the site names (if of course, possible as said above.)"
Again, you are slave to the actions of Jeremy and his reply to the moderators. As Clay has stated Jeremy's interaction with the mods is becoming scarce.
All that we can offer you is to wait until Jeremy responds to a moderator on your behalf.

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Tosan139
Tosan139
11. RE: It's been a while
Dec 4 2011, 3:44 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 4 2011, 3:44 AM EST
"Well it was announced we wouldn't have any new features added to the platform Marsden, ever since Ben Elowitz decided to go into the Television Entertainment business with our old Wetpaint name, leaving us to be re-named as Wikis by Wetpaint.

This new platform will always be updated multiple times daily, and so will the platform's Facebook account, but we will have to sacrifice our future platform features so that they can deal with the Entertainment platform.

As any other site that goes without upgrading, it starts to degenerate and people start leaving, disappointed. It also is taken over by spammers.

We are scrapping at something that isn't there and will most likely never be there again: Customer Care, Support, and upgrades.

Our connections with Wetpaint have went from several to just a single thread. Jeremy. We still don't hear/see much from him because of Ben's decisions for the company: Abandoning support for the Wiki Platform, turn all worker's direction toward the Entertainment Platform, and laying off many staff members.
Anyone remember Jason? I'm sure Rich and BA remember him well. I barely knew him, but that was because I was new. (I'm getting off topic, aren't I?)

The point is, the company has almost left us with NO connections what-so-ever, leaving us wiki users in the dust. The connection(s) we have with Jeremy has grown very very thin. I haven't seen him post or send any of us Mods a message this week, like he said he would, one day a week.
Thanks to Ben, Jeremy doesn't have time for us anymore, which forces us (The Community Moderators) to take control and take care of all your questions, problems, and/or concerns. (But we do that already. If you ask me, Wetpaint needs to pay us, but that's my opinion.)

Continued."
Even though I honestly grew to dislike some certain people due to them talking behind my back, I agree. Xat has crumbled. But not for the reason you think. Wikis were once about fun and enjoyment.. but now all has been plagued by one thing. COMPETITION. This is the same reason people quit xat. Wetpaint has gone only south since 2008 and I directly blame that on can awards/wetpaint 500. Yes. Once a sider with wetpaint 500 until a former friend Maxwilly opened my eyes. He was right! People are far too stubborn, greedy, hatred filled nowadays and thus a lot of the prime wetpaint users have quit. I do love wetpaint, respect Jeremy, dig the progression wetpaint has made.. but 2011 has just left a bad taste in my mouth. I almost wish I didn't win 2010 gpcas because ever since then everyone I knew became hard to talk to and the uphill battle began.
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Tosan139
Tosan139
12. RE: It's been a while
Dec 4 2011, 3:50 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 4 2011, 3:50 AM EST
Can't edit. Meant 'wetpaint' has crumbled. Let's face the sad facts. Like I said in 2010, wetpaint was going south massivly. The update really impacted some activity here.. and even though we were told everything was alright, was it? No. Now, is wetpaint doomed? Yes and no. The wetpaint I once loved is doomed and gone, but not the structure itself.


Who do I blame? No one. All good things must come to an end. Good wetpaint is gone.. but wetpaint is still around if that makes sense.
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Naru2008
Naru2008
14. RE: It's been a while
Dec 4 2011, 9:59 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 4 2011, 9:59 PM EST
Brandon,

This has nothing to do with the competitions of the Wetpaint 500/100 or the WPGPCA's.

The competition is for Fame and Money. The two competitors? Wetpaint and other companies.
Wetpaint wants more money, just like any other company.
Wetpaint also wants more popularity. (Again, just like any other company.)
To do this, Wetpaint added the Entertainment Platform, adding another path to collect money and popularity. On the Entertainment Platform, they expeanded their partners: Aol TV, Just Jared Jr., toofab.com, teen.com, Hollywire, Zap2It, Pop Cruch, and the Stir.
They are getting popular with this platform, yes, but they are walking away from what made them what they were: Us! The wiki platform!

Thanks to Ben's decision, we no longer have support, barely any contact to the staff of Wetpaint, other than the email us Moderators know and email problems you guys experience. (and Sometimes, when we give them ideas, Jeremy replies 'We'll pass the idea along to the support team' or with the spam account problem we have today, Rich recieved 'I'll ask the development team if they have any ideas on this.'
This came no surprise to Rich, and when he told me, it wasn't a surprise for me either.
I knew what Wetpaint/Jeremy was going to say, and you can ask Rich, because I told him before he gave me the message.

We will not have support anymore from the company, and we are being left behind in the dust, and being forgotten. Jeremy and Ben both have spread the news accross the net, that we have to stand our own ground, and take up for ourselves.
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bellswebster
bellswebster
15. RE: It's been a while
Dec 4 2011, 10:52 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 4 2011, 10:53 PM EST
Surely if something doesn't work too good on these old platforms that it affects the new one? Maintence is needed again as I find that the servers need another adjustment. What happened to Jeremys words that these old platforms would be kept maintained. 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
Tosan139
Tosan139
16. RE: It's been a while
Dec 5 2011, 4:29 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 5 2011, 4:29 AM EST
"Surely if something doesn't work too good on these old platforms that it affects the new one? Maintence is needed again as I find that the servers need another adjustment. What happened to Jeremys words that these old platforms would be kept maintained."
Aah. Now I know the truth thanks to Alex. (aka Naru). Well. That is what I said would happen in 2010 but everyone, including key people told me it would be maintained. Maybe not updated, but cared about.

You expect me to support a community that even the creators no longer have interest in? How does that make any damn sense? We were left in the dust you say? Great. That's just peachy.

This whole thing is garbage. The time wasted on wetpaint was 3 plus years. Now I learn everything I feared was true? Wow. Jeremy doesn't care. This whole issue is just not right. Naru you can continue to support a dying/no longer upgrading community. But I won't. I'll post on this thread and reply, but I'll stick to forums and xbox live. Know why? Cause anything is better than an ungrateful, downright unlogical at times, and dying community.
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Tosan139
Tosan139
17. RE: It's been a while
Dec 5 2011, 4:34 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 5 2011, 4:34 AM EST
Continued:

What makes this matter even funnier are the people who said: People are over reacting.. wikis will be maintained and cared about. Haha.

The only reason I won't go ape is because I can control myself and at least Jeremy/Wetpaint gave me good memories.
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silvertabbiesrock
silvertabbiesrock
18. RE: It's been a while
Dec 5 2011, 5:25 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 5 2011, 5:25 AM EST
Jeremy hasn't replied to my message I sent about a month or so back. It was nothing urgent, but it is worrying to know that he is not there if we need him.

I disagree with a statement made on this thread - that all wikis are dying. That is not true. If you want proof, go check the updates page of WCC2. Or even sites like WCRP and WFS. As far as I can see, the most popular way to use wetpaint wikis is RP sites, and we're all determined to keep using wetpaint. If you don't expect much of the platform, you can't be disappointed.

Who knows... miracles do happen, and perhaps one day they'll realize that they have to start updating our wikis again...

That'll be the day.
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bellswebster
bellswebster
19. RE: It's been a while
Dec 5 2011, 6:41 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 5 2011, 6:41 AM EST
I just want what we have already to work. I would be happy with that. 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
CryingDove
CryingDove
20. RE: It's been a while
Dec 5 2011, 11:02 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 5 2011, 11:02 AM EST
From this point forward, the moderators at WPC, will be the liaison to Wetpaint. Jeremy will no longer respond to messages to his profile inbox. Unless a user has an issue that involves confidential information, the moderators will direct all messages to the forum and will only give answers in the forum. This action will serve two purposes. One, it will allow our responses to be open to all the community. Secondly, it will allow for others who may be experiencing the same issues to see the solution.

Changes to wikis that involve custom navigation or fixed width site formats will no longer be made.
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Losa78
Losa78
21. RE: It's been a while
Dec 5 2011, 6:35 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 5 2011, 6:35 PM EST
Those were some long and heartfelt posts, Clay, specially when compared to Tosan's more brutal and no-nonsense approach as just sending Wetpaint to hell. I get you both, in your own ways.

Personally, for us slightly more oldies, what hurts the most is comparing what Wetpaint is now with what Wetpaint used to be back in the day and how indeed us users were mostly left "in the dust".
However, this whole change happened over a year ago now and I have made my peace with it a long time ago. As CryingDove says sometimes, Wetpaint is now "what you see is what you get" and there are several issues none of us will ever be able to address or change. Period. People are just gonna have to face it and either accept things the way they are now (knowing they won't ever be the way they were before) or just leave Wetpaint and move on. There's nothing wrong with that.

Still, it could have been much worse. By the time Wetpaint changed to the new TV sites platform, they could have just shut the wikis down altogether, and they didn't. I get that there may still be some marginal revenue from the adds seen on the wikis, but I don't think that's too relevant for them these days, otherwise they wouldn't have even changed, with all the costs associated to it. As far as technical problems go, we have a few, but the core of it has been attended and maintained, otherwise I'm sure we wouldn't even be able to access the sites anymore by now.

Personally, even though I realize things will probably only keep going downhill, I'll stay to the very end, mostly because I choose to always remain faithful to this format which has given me so much as far as online entertainment is concerned.
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Tosan139
Tosan139
22. RE: It's been a while
Dec 6 2011, 4:25 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 6 2011, 4:25 AM EST
"Those were some long and heartfelt posts, Clay, specially when compared to Tosan's more brutal and no-nonsense approach as just sending Wetpaint to hell. I get you both, in your own ways.

Personally, for us slightly more oldies, what hurts the most is comparing what Wetpaint is now with what Wetpaint used to be back in the day and how indeed us users were mostly left "in the dust".
However, this whole change happened over a year ago now and I have made my peace with it a long time ago. As CryingDove says sometimes, Wetpaint is now "what you see is what you get" and there are several issues none of us will ever be able to address or change. Period. People are just gonna have to face it and either accept things the way they are now (knowing they won't ever be the way they were before) or just leave Wetpaint and move on. There's nothing wrong with that.

Still, it could have been much worse. By the time Wetpaint changed to the new TV sites platform, they could have just shut the wikis down altogether, and they didn't. I get that there may still be some marginal revenue from the adds seen on the wikis, but I don't think that's too relevant for them these days, otherwise they wouldn't have even changed, with all the costs associated to it. As far as technical problems go, we have a few, but the core of it has been attended and maintained, otherwise I'm sure we wouldn't even be able to access the sites anymore by now.

Personally, even though I realize things will probably only keep going downhill, I'll stay to the very end, mostly because I choose to always remain faithful to this format which has given me so much as far as online entertainment is concerned."
You know. I respect you and your post. I'd of thought for sure people wouldn't see my side of the story.. so happy you and others can look at my post at legimate, because is was meant to me. I respect people who don't give up.

It isnt that I'm giving up.. more actually that I just feel us wiki users were pawns to build a different structure for wetpaint. I am mad. Yes. Can I understand why they are doing this and updating/changing wetpaint? Yes. Just hatef feeling like a pawn/used.
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