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cg@
Temporary Banning
May 1 2011, 11:19 AM EDT | Post edited: May 1 2011, 11:19 AM EDT
After reading these rules I am afraid of entering the discussions in the forum or private messaging people lest I get banned. Can you make there be a ban of a couple months or so instead of permanent? Even things listed with instant bans can happen on accident. 3  out of 4 found this valuable. Do you?    
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Naru2008
Naru2008
1. RE: Temporary Banning
May 1 2011, 11:22 AM EDT | Post edited: May 1 2011, 11:25 AM EDT
What do you need/want to discuss on here? As long as it is relevant to Wetpaint or this wiki, you will not get banned, and as far as PMing someone, the rules don't apply, except for your basics:
Trolling, Flaming, ect.

Also, if you read beside each rule, you get three strikes and you're out. We go by that system, except for advertising a product/service, which results in an instant ban. If you do something wrong, a Moderator, like myself, should message you about it, but if you get to three strikes, you will be banned. The reason is because when everyone joins, they get a message from Jeremy_Wetpaint, an employee at Wetpaint, and in the message, he puts a link to the rules. If users even bother to look at it, they will end up not breaking any rules. It's also on the homepage that you should check the rules

-Clay
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cg@
2. RE: Temporary Banning
May 1 2011, 8:24 PM EDT | Post edited: May 1 2011, 8:24 PM EDT
To not be random part scares me because my friends call me random all the time. I have to explain to them how each thing isn't random. Like a joke that you need to explain doesn't make a good joke. My jokes and I guess my thoughts all need explaining. For instance, I might suggest a solution to somebody's problem by explaining some technology, product, or movement to somebody that could seem either random at best, or spam at worst. I am glad I read the rules, and I concur with you, because I think I'll stand a better chance at avoiding being banned now. But, what I really don't like is the view that I could be permanently taken away from something that is just what I needed ;( . Don't you think temporary banning would be better after the three strikes? You could go 6 months and it's like you wouldn't have to be pestered by the trolls for long enough. I read a way to deal with trolls recently which is to help trolls along with explaining their view so that they don't get mad as much. I guess they just aren't that good at talking? We shouldn't punish people when we can work things through. Maybe labeling people as troll in the forum with a disclaimer that you have to directly ask for each piece of knowledge you need to know, because they aren't good at offering reasons with "because" until you ask them step by step. I've used most of the advice I read (http://developers.slashdot.org/story/11/03/06/2142233/Disarm-Internet-Trolls-Gently) on how to deal with them, before I read it. It didn't work back then for me, but I think it's because I didn't use all the advice, and the forum was run by the trolls. I'm still afraid of just getting one warning. But, I also understand that you have to keep records of how many you give to someone. So, wouldn't temporarily banning someone make the trolls still lose interest?Wikipediatempbanspeople.Iwasonlyintrestdingettinhelpinforumanyway Do you find this valuable?    
bellswebster
bellswebster
3. RE: Temporary Banning
May 1 2011, 9:50 PM EDT | Post edited: May 1 2011, 9:50 PM EDT
I think permanet banning is wrong. I think it depends on what the reason is..trolls get a fair deal with 3 strikes and you are out. Permanent banning for them is fine. But sometimes misunderstandings happen with people from other countries who have a different way of speaking and meaning things. And then one has to deal with people who whinge about silly things or they over react, or appear to have personalities that are difficult to get through too. I have mentioned before about "time-out" in some cases instead of banment. This to me is more sensibile when you have less minor type problems which will happen occassionally because its human nature for them to occur....just my thoughts. Do you find this valuable?    
Naru2008
Naru2008
4. RE: Temporary Banning
May 2 2011, 6:04 AM EDT | Post edited: May 2 2011, 6:04 AM EDT
"But sometimes misunderstandings happen with people from other countries who have a different way of speaking and meaning things."
I believe that's what Google Translate is for Bells. ;)

As for the less stricter banning, I agree with you guys, but it would be kinda hard to write down a user's name, the reason they were banned, and then un-ban them 6 months later. 6 Months from when they are banned, they could have moved on and don't care anymore. (Trust me, I did this with a Miley Cyrus fan site, and it ended up me just banning them forever.)
Besides, the only people we ban now-a-days are advertisers and spammers, and we have a huge list of those.
It WOULD be nice if Wetpaint was kinda like Xat. (Chatroom for those of you who don't know.) Their banning system lets you set the amount of time they are banned. Say an advertiser were to join, create an account, and then advertise. You could go to their account, click Change Permissions, then click Banned. After choosing Banned, another box pops up asking for the length. For here on Wetpaint Central, it would be forever, so you'd put it at 0 (Which on Xat, means forever).
Now let's say we were to not have the Writer Rank, and were back in the old Wetpaint Central time, where everyone was creating their own Albums and adding the photos. Well, if they were to create...let's say 5 albums and 50 in each. That would take a while for a Moderator to delete, right? Let's say the Moderator keeps deleting them, but the user just adds them back on. Maybe they didn't read the homepage, or they ignored the message from Jeremy and were also blind enough to see: Wetpaint Central Rules in our Navigation Box on the left. They don't deserve to be banned forever, right? You'd click on their profile, go to Change Permissions, select Banned, and put...let's say 2 hours. Then create a banned thread saying they were banned for 2 hours.
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Naru2008
Naru2008
5. RE: Temporary Banning
May 2 2011, 6:06 AM EDT | Post edited: May 2 2011, 6:06 AM EDT
-Continued-
I think that would be the easiest way to ban someone, and it not be forever, but sadly Wetpaint isn't made that way. It would be great if it did though.
and like I said, I agree with both of you, but unless a Moderator would actually take the time to write their username and time length they were to be banned, then we just have to do what we are doing now.

-Clay
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bellswebster
bellswebster
6. RE: Temporary Banning
May 2 2011, 7:14 AM EDT | Post edited: May 2 2011, 7:14 AM EDT
Well we know that wetpaint aren't going to change any features. And writing down names and then checking them after a certain length of time would be a pain. I think the easiest way would be for wetpaint to change their wiki rules and let creators know they have relaxed them. I have found that some mods take them too seriously.
I have heard of some wikis being ruled with an iron fist which is ridiculous if the "crime" you have done isn't really serious. This is why I recommend a "cool off" period of set certain times....1 week minimum for most cases. More serious then maybe 3 or 4 weeks. It wouldn't be that hard to set up a word sheet with name, date on temp ban..date to be re-instated. Maybe why written in short...E.G. continual arguing with mod, continual posting rudeness, etc. I realize you need law and order of some sort on a wiki that has a lot of active members.
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bellswebster
bellswebster
7. RE: Temporary Banning
May 2 2011, 7:22 AM EDT | Post edited: May 2 2011, 7:24 AM EDT
And Naru, using the google translate wouldn't be of much use, when its what a word or a phrase might mean to someone.People get a little hot headed when they feel someone is posting something that is a bit silly, then they simply try to correct them..the other person then complains about it and "carrys on". I would like to know, why, if say someone who gets rude and bashes another, why the person who may reply and say something polite to them by asking them to not be rude and to calm down, then also gets into trouble and gets told they might loose their position on the wiki for answering? I mean...its best to ignore them I know, but its human nature to maybe say something back... Do you find this valuable?    

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8. RE: Temporary Banning
May 2 2011, 7:41 AM EDT | Post edited: May 2 2011, 7:41 AM EDT
"Well we know that wetpaint aren't going to change any features. And writing down names and then checking them after a certain length of time would be a pain. I think the easiest way would be for wetpaint to change their wiki rules and let creators know they have relaxed them. I have found that some mods take them too seriously.
I have heard of some wikis being ruled with an iron fist which is ridiculous if the "crime" you have done isn't really serious. This is why I recommend a "cool off" period of set certain times....1 week minimum for most cases. More serious then maybe 3 or 4 weeks. It wouldn't be that hard to set up a word sheet with name, date on temp ban..date to be re-instated. Maybe why written in short...E.G. continual arguing with mod, continual posting rudeness, etc. I realize you need law and order of some sort on a wiki that has a lot of active members. "
Great answer to the problem
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Naru2008
Naru2008
9. RE: Temporary Banning
May 2 2011, 4:41 PM EDT | Post edited: May 2 2011, 4:41 PM EDT
"Great answer to the problem"
Great reply! Your reply really added value to this thread! (:
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bellswebster
bellswebster
10. RE: Temporary Banning
May 2 2011, 7:03 PM EDT | Post edited: May 2 2011, 7:03 PM EDT
Thanks...I'm Australian and one of our mottos is: Fair go mate. Do you find this valuable?    

Posted Anonymously
11. RE: Temporary Banning
May 2 2011, 8:47 PM EDT | Post edited: May 2 2011, 8:47 PM EDT
"Great reply! Your reply really added value to this thread! (: "
The quoted reply (#6), suggests a word sheet to capture bans. reasons. and length of time for the ban. Since Weptiant does not have a feature for different types of bans, it is up to the administration of a wiki to provide such a vehicle as suggested in reply #6. That is the reason for reply # 8.meaning it was a solution to the originator's suggestion and title of the thread.

See this page for a great example of what bellsweather was suggesting.

http://splats2.wetpaint.com/page/The+Ban+Log

lol

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bellswebster
bellswebster
12. RE: Temporary Banning
May 2 2011, 9:04 PM EDT | Post edited: May 2 2011, 9:04 PM EDT
Thanks anon...as the link proves..its not that hard... Do you find this valuable?    

cg@
13. RE: Temporary Banning
May 3 2011, 3:48 AM EDT | Post edited: May 3 2011, 3:48 AM EDT
"-Continued-
I think that would be the easiest way to ban someone, and it not be forever, but sadly Wetpaint isn't made that way. It would be great if it did though.
and like I said, I agree with both of you, but unless a Moderator would actually take the time to write their username and time length they were to be banned, then we just have to do what we are doing now.

-Clay"
Woah, I didn't continue mine with another post like you did because I thought I could get in trouble for posting 2 next to each other. Now, I realize I could equally get in trouble for posting the gibberish that I made in my last 2 sentences of my previous post 8^D . Or not, since the only people getting banned are spamers and advertisers like you said. Therefore, maybe I'll go in the forum sometime. Thanks for easing my fear. The temporary ban would require adding programming to the site. I don't think even moderators can do that. It has to be higher up.
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bellswebster
bellswebster
14. RE: Temporary Banning
May 3 2011, 4:28 AM EDT | Post edited: May 3 2011, 4:28 AM EDT
"Woah, I didn't continue mine with another post like you did because I thought I could get in trouble for posting 2 next to each other. Now, I realize I could equally get in trouble for posting the gibberish that I made in my last 2 sentences of my previous post 8^D . Or not, since the only people getting banned are spamers and advertisers like you said. Therefore, maybe I'll go in the forum sometime. Thanks for easing my fear. The temporary ban would require adding programming to the site. I don't think even moderators can do that. It has to be higher up."
Yes, only wetpaint can add extra banning features to a wiki. A real lot depends on the moderators and their own ideas on how to run a wiki and their own personalities. This is why creators should NOT just ask a friend to be a moderator..this friend has to have "people skills" and beable to communicate with others without letting their own flaws take over decisions about others. You should get a warning at least 3 times before you are banned from any site.
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Mod_Kaeleigh
15. RE: Temporary Banning
May 4 2011, 7:09 PM EDT | Post edited: May 4 2011, 7:09 PM EDT
Temporary bans are definitely something to consider for Wetpaint Central. As long as the bans are logged by the moderators (I do know of one site that uses this method), and the list is kept up-to-date, it shouldn't be a problem. What kinds of rule-breaking behaviors would warrant a temporary ban? And how long would this temporary ban last? Do you find this valuable?    
bellswebster
bellswebster
16. RE: Temporary Banning
May 4 2011, 8:41 PM EDT | Post edited: May 4 2011, 8:41 PM EDT
Well, sometimes people just get upset with others on threads and things get a bit heated in conversation. Some members do a lot of work on some of the sites and they are gotten to be known as ok great people...why ban someone permanently if normally they are a nice person. Different cultures get a bit out of sinc sometimes and people get offended and make a fuss about something that is missunderstood...just need to cool off... I think 5 days is a good amount of time for a cool off period. It depends on how often it may happen and over what the reasons are. It takes time to learn about others and we all have different opinions, ideas and ways of doing and saying things. Its human nature to make mistakes or over step a line on occassions. Just my thoughts anyway. Do you find this valuable?    
CaptainSpaz
CaptainSpaz
17. RE: Temporary Banning
May 4 2011, 9:03 PM EDT | Post edited: May 4 2011, 9:03 PM EDT
I usually delete 'random' and irrelevant threads without replying to them or sending a warning. I figure the disappearance of the thread should be warning enough. Do you find this valuable?    

cg@
18. RE: Temporary Banning
May 5 2011, 2:30 AM EDT | Post edited: May 5 2011, 2:30 AM EDT
"I usually delete 'random' and irrelevant threads without replying to them or sending a warning. I figure the disappearance of the thread should be warning enough. "
Maybe you would like for a programmer to add a feature to automatically send a message to the creator of a thread that was deleted?
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