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gezza11
HA gone out of control
Mar 10 2011, 2:33 AM EST | Post edited: Mar 10 2011, 2:33 AM EST
Okay, I might be wrong, but for some time now when i refresh or go into a particular page in my wiki site, I get an old version (ie, the DB is out of date) - this tells me plainly that wetpaint uses a redundancy system (shares and backups data with at least two servers) but one is clearly out of date.

Guys - this has happened before. Please, please fix it.
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Losa78
Losa78
1. RE: HA gone out of control
Mar 10 2011, 12:32 PM EST | Post edited: Mar 10 2011, 12:32 PM EST
This seems to have been a very long time and persistent problem now, and to keep asking for it to be fixed just won't help. Wetpaint is well aware of this problem, but they just can't seem to be able to fix it once and for all, so all we can do is be patient and hope for better. Do you find this valuable?    
bellswebster
bellswebster
3. RE: HA gone out of control
Mar 10 2011, 8:09 PM EST | Post edited: Mar 10 2011, 8:09 PM EST
"This seems to have been a very long time and persistent problem now, and to keep asking for it to be fixed just won't help. Wetpaint is well aware of this problem, but they just can't seem to be able to fix it once and for all, so all we can do is be patient and hope for better."
Perhaps if they bought another server.
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gezza11
4. RE: HA gone out of control
Mar 10 2011, 9:36 PM EST | Post edited: Mar 10 2011, 9:36 PM EST
"Perhaps if they bought another server."
I agree - while I understand sentiments above, I am sure that 'fixing the problem' is a fully understood roadmap - and in all likelihood it has to do with $$
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bellswebster
bellswebster
5. RE: HA gone out of control
Mar 11 2011, 5:01 AM EST | Post edited: Mar 11 2011, 5:01 AM EST
"I agree - while I understand sentiments above, I am sure that 'fixing the problem' is a fully understood roadmap - and in all likelihood it has to do with $"
How much is a server?..does anyone know?
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Losa78
Losa78
6. RE: HA gone out of control
Mar 11 2011, 8:39 AM EST | Post edited: Mar 11 2011, 8:39 AM EST
Wetpaint is most certainly not going to invest on new or better servers for the wikis. You have to remember Wetpaint's current policy and direction to only maintain the wiki platform, but certainly not improving it.. They're not even adding new features with the current means they have, so... Do you find this valuable?    
bellswebster
bellswebster
7. RE: HA gone out of control
Mar 11 2011, 4:32 PM EST | Post edited: Mar 11 2011, 4:34 PM EST
"Wetpaint is most certainly not going to invest on new or better servers for the wikis. You have to remember Wetpaint's current policy and direction to only maintain the wiki platform, but certainly not improving it.. They're not even adding new features with the current means they have, so..."
To me, maintaining these platforms isn't the same as improving them....it would be an improvement to keep them fixed to a reasonable standard. Members are still entitled to a maintence service whether this is a free service or not. I don't care about new features. As I have said before, I just want what we have got to be usable.
They boast they have millions of users...don't they mean anything. I know of schools who rely on these wikis...Doctors as well..its not all just kids role play and celebrities. Some celebrities and well known television shows have over 3,000 - 12,000 members who use wetpaint as their official site. These platforms are one of the best as they are set out for easy usage and wetpaint seems too silly to realize they are throwing away a valuable assest here. Not everything needs to be trendy. You can't even participate on the new forums that I can see. I find them boring and useless actually. Not to mention you can see and read all thats been said on other sites, u-tubes, televison shows and in magazines anyway. These old platforms have you involved, talking, teaching, creating, meeting new people and learning how to do a lot of things with computers. Whats not to like.
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gezza11
8. RE: HA gone out of control
Mar 11 2011, 4:57 PM EST | Post edited: Mar 11 2011, 4:57 PM EST
"To me, maintaining these platforms isn't the same as improving them....it would be an improvement to keep them fixed to a reasonable standard. Members are still entitled to a maintence service whether this is a free service or not. I don't care about new features. As I have said before, I just want what we have got to be usable.
They boast they have millions of users...don't they mean anything. I know of schools who rely on these wikis...Doctors as well..its not all just kids role play and celebrities. Some celebrities and well known television shows have over 3,000 - 12,000 members who use wetpaint as their official site. These platforms are one of the best as they are set out for easy usage and wetpaint seems too silly to realize they are throwing away a valuable assest here. Not everything needs to be trendy. You can't even participate on the new forums that I can see. I find them boring and useless actually. Not to mention you can see and read all thats been said on other sites, u-tubes, televison shows and in magazines anyway. These old platforms have you involved, talking, teaching, creating, meeting new people and learning how to do a lot of things with computers. Whats not to like."
Wholeheartedly agree. I will add one more point:

The Wiki is free but they make money from it. They provide a service as part of a three-way 'contract' - promoters get advertising by paying Wetpaint, Wetpaint gets revenue by hosting advertising and providing a wiki service to subscribers, and subscribers get a service from Wetpaint. Simple business model, but one of the keys to the regime is that Wetpaint provides the service.

Wetpaint is NOT providing the service. They get their money but they are not fulfilling the subscriber end of the deal.

I agree - I don't necessarily want service improvement (like dead simple time zone synching) but I do expect the system to work, and basic High Availability.
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Losa78
Losa78
9. RE: HA gone out of control
Mar 11 2011, 5:16 PM EST | Post edited: Mar 11 2011, 5:16 PM EST
"To me, maintaining these platforms isn't the same as improving them....it would be an improvement to keep them fixed to a reasonable standard. Members are still entitled to a maintence service whether this is a free service or not. I don't care about new features. As I have said before, I just want what we have got to be usable.
They boast they have millions of users...don't they mean anything. I know of schools who rely on these wikis...Doctors as well..its not all just kids role play and celebrities. Some celebrities and well known television shows have over 3,000 - 12,000 members who use wetpaint as their official site. These platforms are one of the best as they are set out for easy usage and wetpaint seems too silly to realize they are throwing away a valuable assest here. Not everything needs to be trendy. You can't even participate on the new forums that I can see. I find them boring and useless actually. Not to mention you can see and read all thats been said on other sites, u-tubes, televison shows and in magazines anyway. These old platforms have you involved, talking, teaching, creating, meeting new people and learning how to do a lot of things with computers. Whats not to like."
That is all a very beautiful eulogy of Wetpaint and it pleases me to read it as well because I love this format just as much as you do.

However, Wetpaint's change of direction and new priorities new have been made crystal clear recently. I have it read it straight from Wetpaint staff that they are debranding partner sites and dismantling their Partner Services Group because there isn't enough partner business and revenue left from existing partners to justify staffing for and sustaining a dedicated business development team for partner wikis. They're also not actively trying to build more branded sites anymore.

These are basically the reasons why I say they will not be investing on the wikis anymore.
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Losa78
Losa78
10. RE: HA gone out of control
Mar 11 2011, 5:21 PM EST | Post edited: Mar 11 2011, 5:21 PM EST
"Wholeheartedly agree. I will add one more point:

The Wiki is free but they make money from it. They provide a service as part of a three-way 'contract' - promoters get advertising by paying Wetpaint, Wetpaint gets revenue by hosting advertising and providing a wiki service to subscribers, and subscribers get a service from Wetpaint. Simple business model, but one of the keys to the regime is that Wetpaint provides the service.

Wetpaint is NOT providing the service. They get their money but they are not fulfilling the subscriber end of the deal.

I agree - I don't necessarily want service improvement (like dead simple time zone synching) but I do expect the system to work, and basic High Availability. "
The revenue and profit that Wetpaint is still getting from the old wikis is apparently very marginal already these days, because otherwise they wouldn't be dismantling their staff dedicated to the wikis and debranding, as well as shifting to their new format sites and platforms. The wikis are no longer how Wetpaint expects to make a buck, really.
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gezza11
11. RE: HA gone out of control
Mar 11 2011, 9:04 PM EST | Post edited: Mar 11 2011, 9:04 PM EST
"The revenue and profit that Wetpaint is still getting from the old wikis is apparently very marginal already these days, because otherwise they wouldn't be dismantling their staff dedicated to the wikis and debranding, as well as shifting to their new format sites and platforms. The wikis are no longer how Wetpaint expects to make a buck, really."
Understand all of this, but service ethic is they key here. If things are changing, then expectation management should be employed here.
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bellswebster
bellswebster
12. RE: HA gone out of control
Mar 12 2011, 12:32 AM EST | Post edited: Mar 12 2011, 12:32 AM EST
Wetpaint won't have a very good name for anything if we all end up in a heap. I would say the open outcry would ruin their reputation. Word would soon get out on the net from disgruntled wiki members. Do you find this valuable?    
CryingDove
CryingDove
13. RE: HA gone out of control
Mar 12 2011, 7:51 AM EST | Post edited: Mar 12 2011, 8:14 AM EST
All of us can tweet ben elowitz and ask him on twitter why the millions of wetpaint wikis are going down the tubes.

http://twitter.com/elowitz

PS He is calling on everyone to join a revolt against Google and the SEO problems. Maybe we can point out the mess in his own backyard. Here is his blog "Slaves Rise Up and Revolt", which is exactly what I am talking about.

http://digitalquarters.net/
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gezza11
14. RE: HA gone out of control
Mar 14 2011, 6:07 AM EDT | Post edited: Mar 14 2011, 6:07 AM EDT
"All of us can tweet ben elowitz and ask him on twitter why the millions of wetpaint wikis are going down the tubes.

http://twitter.com/elowitz

PS He is calling on everyone to join a revolt against Google and the SEO problems. Maybe we can point out the mess in his own backyard. Here is his blog "Slaves Rise Up and Revolt", which is exactly what I am talking about.

http://digitalquarters.net/
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Done - suggest the rest of you do it too. My site has degraded further - all the updates are simply being lost. Sheesh, what ****.
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gezza11
15. RE: HA gone out of control
Mar 14 2011, 6:08 AM EDT | Post edited: Mar 14 2011, 6:08 AM EDT
"Done - suggest the rest of you do it too. My site has degraded further - all the updates are simply being lost. Sheesh, what ****."
sorry, what I meant was, what sh1t!
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bellswebster
bellswebster
16. RE: HA gone out of control
Mar 14 2011, 6:34 AM EDT | Post edited: Mar 14 2011, 6:35 AM EDT
"All of us can tweet ben elowitz and ask him on twitter why the millions of wetpaint wikis are going down the tubes.

http://twitter.com/elowitz

PS He is calling on everyone to join a revolt against Google and the SEO problems. Maybe we can point out the mess in his own backyard. Here is his blog "Slaves Rise Up and Revolt", which is exactly what I am talking about.

http://digitalquarters.net/
"
CD..What is a algorithm please. In simple terms what is it he is saying?
I can see what you mean like he needs to fix up his own backyard before he mouths off at someone else.
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CryingDove
CryingDove
17. RE: HA gone out of control
Mar 14 2011, 7:33 AM EDT | Post edited: Mar 14 2011, 8:38 AM EDT
"CD..What is a algorithm please. In simple terms what is it he is saying?
I can see what you mean like he needs to fix up his own backyard before he mouths off at someone else."
All sites, and their tags and descriptions are kept in a database on the search engines site. Google has a very large database of sites. When someone does a search, it searches through the database for matches to the information the user has typed in to search on.

An algorithm is a mathematical formula they use to search characters in a string which makes the search function faster.
If the character string was the word "THEATER" and the search started at the first letter T. The partial search would return every word beginning with T as a match. Then from that list of partial successful matches the next character H would be searched. The list is now whittled down a bit. This process would have to be repeated until the all the sites with the word theater was found.
The most common of search engines will use an algorithm to make the search faster. Let say we don't start with the first letter but the 7th letter R. This would eliminate any 1,2,3,4,5,6 letter words right off the bat. The match list is now shorter. Then the match list is searched for the letter E. by shifting to the 6th character and so forth.
Another example to demonstrate a search function speed up. Suppose the string was the word "THE". An algorithm could be set up to look at the 4th character to see if it were a space, then the third character being an E. The partial search match list is now only three letter words ending with an E and followed by a space. The search criteria would be then repeated on the partial list until a complete match is made and then all the complete matches then can be returned to the users as a result list.

Many types of algorithms exist. Boyer-Moore is one

One of the worst AlGoreithms is "The Global Warming Scare"
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bellswebster
bellswebster
18. RE: HA gone out of control
Mar 14 2011, 5:29 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 14 2011, 5:29 PM EDT
I see. Thanks for that. Do you find this valuable?    

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