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moderator_kevin |
What To Do
Jan 18 2011, 12:22 AM EST
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Hi,It goes without saying that we as a community are frustrated and angry over the new direction Wetpaint has taken, beginning three months ago. Our current "solution" has been to vocally protest these changes on threads such as this one: http://www.wetpaintcentral.com/thread/4418535/Hey+Wetpaint...How+about+giving+us+the+TRUTH. Unfortunately, protesting accomplishes nothing. Wetpaint has made it clear to us that they are no longer taking our suggestions into consideration, so why are we still bothering to post them? I believe that there are better ways to get what we want. For starters, I have asked Jeremy's permission to go through Wetpaint Central's pages and eliminate any content that inspires false hope - for example, the Make a Suggestion page, which still states that Wetpaint loves to hear our opinions and ideas (obviously untrue). I also know that CryingDove has requested a simple link at the top of the page to a "status" page, where Wetpaint staff can keep us updated on bugs and system problems, like the database latency we've experienced today. Such a small feature will hopefully not be too hard for Wetpaint to implement. I encourage everyone to share their positive ideas that can help us: 1. Hold the attention of Wetpaint, and ensure that Wikis By Wetpaint remains relevant to their business. 2. Find ways to cope with the situation - workarounds like those found on CryingDove's wiki, splats2.wetpaint.com. 3. Come together as a community and work to keep the real Wetpaint alive. We are bigger and better than we were in 2006, so let's prove it. We don't need corporate involvement to inspire us, or keep our spirits up. There's nothing stopping us from running this show on our own; enterprises such as the continuation of the Golden Paint Can Awards, that have gone on without any help from Wetpaint, prove this. Kevin 1 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
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bellswebster |
1. RE: What To Do
Jan 18 2011, 1:13 AM EST
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So how does one run it on our own? Wetpaint want to make a profit from us right?..so how do we do that? Pay a small yearly fee?...how much.. $20 per wiki?...would this help? How many wikis would this include?...200,000 ? Would this cover the cost to pay someone for maintence and for fixing up the wikis on a "need to" basis? I can't see any other way of helping financially. I agree that the irrelevant content be deleted, or put a message on it to say that this has been put on hold until further notice and that no more ideas will be considered right now. I liked someone's idea to link platform wikis to wetpaints super ones that are the same. That only requires a link..right? What about a page of links to all wikis, that could be added somewhere to the new platform as advertisement of a "now you have read all you need to know," so "come and partipate" in your favourite television show (or what ever). They could have a special name for this page ...I don't know...Link it with Wetpaint..or something...or is that too stupid?..just say.. 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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naruto87 |
2. RE: What To Do
Jan 18 2011, 9:19 AM EST
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"So how does one run it on our own? Wetpaint want to make a profit from us right?..so how do we do that? Pay a small yearly fee?...how much.. $20 per wiki?...would this help? How many wikis would this include?...200,000 ? Would this cover the cost to pay someone for maintence and for fixing up the wikis on a "need to" basis? I can't see any other way of helping financially.Well I with Kevin Now we all should still keeping Wetpaint activate and make more better then it was in 2006 as Kevin said so who cares if the Entertainment Platform is most important for wetpaint now well what they added that so they won`t loses money because alot of users love the shows that wetpaint wikis have so they thought and to make the Entertainment Platform but they still care about the wikis if not the problems or bugs will never be fix sure their will be No New Features but what the user who are very clever can make a new feature so right we must stop are complaining and keep the Wikis By Wetpaint Active and Fun not Complaining Or Argument. Naruto87 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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andrew_editor |
3. RE: What To Do
Jan 18 2011, 10:17 AM EST
I understand I have been giving so many of these, but it is the best way to get the point across.A child gets a new toy for Christmas and would rather play with that toy, instead of the other toy, but always pulls out the other toy every once in awhile. Another think I would like to say in response to the $20 per wiki. I pay $11.95/yr for a domain name, and $10.95/m for hosting, and that's for a real website. Do you find this valuable? |
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Losa78 |
4. RE: What To Do
Jan 18 2011, 11:36 AM EST
I like the overall positive thinking and attitude on this thread, as being indeed most of what we have left these days.However, as much as I regret saying this, I can't agree with Moderator_Kevin when he says that "there's nothing stopping us from running this show on our own." As a matter of fact, without access to the central servers or the core systems or whatever (please bare with me on these lame terms of mine), the truth is that not even our most savvy, experienced and dedicated members here (like Crying_Dove for example) can keep the wikis operational on satisfactory levels and fix all the bugs that keep popping up. Jeremy seems to be all we have left on this. Let's hope Wetpaint doesn't lay him off as well (fingers crossed). At this rate and the way things stand right now, there's no telling when we'll eventually be struck with devastating and crippling bugs that may stop the wikis from working altogether or preventing us from accessing them (as it has even happened before more than once), and none of us simple community members will be able to do absolutely anything whatsoever about it until Wetpaint decides to look into it, if at all... In essence, right now, even this whole wiki system's most basic functionality rests in the hands of people who don't invest on it anymore. I fear this is inevitably a dying format, and it's only a matter of time... However, like I said, we must try to be happy and positive in the meantime. We'll all live longer. ;) 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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5. RE: What To Do
Jan 18 2011, 11:46 AM EST
Wetpaint = Conservative partyMan = Us. Economy = Wetpaints problems http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzPJSuAQnbE 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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andrew_editor |
11. RE: What To Do
Jan 18 2011, 12:51 PM EST
"I like the overall positive thinking and attitude on this thread, as being indeed most of what we have left these days.Jeremy is the last person Wetpaint will lay off, and I don't really think that is any of our business. That isn't even the issue here, you have to understand there are many employees at Wetpaint that just work behind the scenes. Jeremy is the community manager basically, the link between Wetpaint and the community, just one person. Do you find this valuable? |
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walrusworldstudios |
12. RE: What To Do
Jan 18 2011, 1:31 PM EST
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Wetpaint is one of the best wiki programs I've used. However, Kevin is right. As we've learned, Wetpaint doesn't want to hear our complaining over the loss of the addition of new features. There's one issue that needs to be fixed. Wetpaint did promise to continue supporting the wiki platform. These recent bugs have shown no progress toward that promise. So, what do I ask of Wetpaint? Just keep supporting the wiki platform. If a bug pops up on the wiki platform, can the developers take an hour or so of their time to mend it? All I ask from the developers is maintenance of the current wiki platform. If the bugs are fixed in a timely fashion, I believe most of the complaining will simmer down. Maintenance of the wiki platform would most likely satisfy the majority of the community users.Also, much of the community has demanded for new features. Does anyone remember anchor links? A year or so ago, the mystery on Wetpaint was how to encrypt an anchor link onto a Wetpaint page. After a while, a few members figured out a solution. Soon afterward, anchor links became a commonly used feature on Wetpaint. Did Wetpaint ever add the feature? No. A few of the community members banded together and figured out a workaround. Over the past year or so, CryingDove has been creating workarounds to some of the most demanded features on Wetpaint. Wetpaint gave us the tools, now we just have to figure out how to use them. -Matt Do you find this valuable? |
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andrew_editor |
13. RE: What To Do
Jan 18 2011, 1:50 PM EST
I remember anchor links, I have a funny story about that. Erin used that on on of the sites I was on with her, she showed me how to do it, and I started using it. Then, I got a message from Erin, I think, asking me to remove them.I understood once she explained that people we're asking questions, and honestly Wetpaint was intended for WYSIWYG only, so anchor workaround is good, but confusing for people who don't understand HTML at all. Do you find this valuable? |
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moderator_kevin |
14. RE: What To Do
Jan 18 2011, 1:55 PM EST
"However, as much as I regret saying this, I can't agree with Moderator_Kevin when he says that "there's nothing stopping us from running this show on our own."Wetpaint will continue to fix the bugs that pop up. Although their development team may not devote as much time to fixing our problems as they do to the Wetpaint Entertainment issues, our bugs will be fixed too, eventually. I do know that Jeremy is still very invested in Wikis By Wetpaint, and he has every intention of continuing to support us, as do the other employees at Wetpaint. True, we cannot modify the platform itself; only Wetpaint has that power; but we can continue the wiki tradition on our own. There is nothing stopping us from hosting competitions, sharing our sites, and continuing to build wikis. Wetpaint can take away our new features, and they can take away timely bug fixes, but as long as wikis remain, they cannot take away our motivation and our spirit (as cliché as that sounds). Also, Jeremy's job is not in danger at all. He's been working at Wetpaint since 2006, and he also supports the Entertainment wikis; they need at least one product support guy on the job, and Jeremy's the best they have. Do you find this valuable? |
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CryingDove |
15. RE: What To Do
Jan 18 2011, 2:21 PM EST
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"I remember anchor links, I have a funny story about that. Erin used that on on of the sites I was on with her, she showed me how to do it, and I started using it. Then, I got a message from Erin, I think, asking me to remove them.I remember anchor links too. The problem that Erin alluded to was that she showed only a couple people how to use them. Then they used them on a high profile site. I raised my hand and said if it cannot be available for all to use, then it should not be used by any. That is why Erin asked you to remove them from WPADS. Then later on Walrusworldstudios and Jivanda worked on a easy method to present to everyone, and it became a page on WPC and Splats2. Splats2 still at this point in time tries to make the workarounds available to everyone. If a workaround is developed, such as an automatic online indicator (which is already formulated, tested and in use ) cannot be used by everyone, it doesn't hit a page on Splats2. Do you find this valuable? |
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Losa78 |
21. RE: What To Do
Jan 18 2011, 4:38 PM EST
"Jeremy is the last person Wetpaint will lay off, and I don't really think that is any of our business. That isn't even the issue here, you have to understand there are many employees at Wetpaint that just work behind the scenes.It's good to hear from you and Moderator_Kevin that Jeremy has his job secure, but I believe it's still our business to know exactly how much manpower Wetpaint still has on the wikis, and that *is*`an issue for me. I don't see why not. We all know Wetpaint has laid off several employees several months ago, even before this change of direction became seen to us all. And I do understand that there are many Wetpaint employees that only work behind the scenes, of course. I am entitled to wonder how many of those employees still work on the old wikis, though, and on what schedule, that's all. Do you find this valuable? |
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22. RE: What To Do
Jan 18 2011, 4:40 PM EST
Well, if its just a matter of Wetpaint keeping their promises to fix bugs when they happen...which they havn't done that I can see...everything should be all right. Making our own competitions is a good idea...like the awards, I hope Captain Spaz continues to do that every year, altogether I feel voting at Christmas is bad because people go away on holidays etc. The Suggestion page should be deleted for now and a special page just for bugs (as suggested) should be made...not a talking thread as they tend to get all over the place.
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23. RE: What To Do
Jan 18 2011, 4:43 PM EST
"It's good to hear from you and Moderator_Kevin that Jeremy has his job secure, but I believe it's still our business to know exactly how much manpower Wetpaint still has on the wikis, and that *is*`an issue for me. I don't see why not. We all know Wetpaint has laid off several employees several months ago, even before this change of direction became seen to us all.I agree Losa..if Jeremy wasn't here, who is there that cares enough to come over here to even look at the threads and see what problems there are. I have never seen anyone other than Jeremy here. Its like no one else exists. Do you find this valuable? |
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24. RE: What To Do
Jan 18 2011, 4:50 PM EST
I myself couldn't afford to pay the amount of $23 per month for any wiki. The suggestion of $20 a year for a free wiki seems reasonable to me, and affordable for most. 20 times...how many wikis are there anyway? say, as suggested 200,000 is $400,000..sorry, not good at maths...seems reasonable to me to keep this side of things alive...even if its half that.
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andrew_editor |
25. RE: What To Do
Jan 18 2011, 4:50 PM EST
Back in the day, there were two community managers, but that was a while ago.
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andrew_editor |
26. RE: What To Do
Jan 18 2011, 4:51 PM EST
"I myself couldn't afford to pay the amount of $23 per month for any wiki. The suggestion of $20 a year for a free wiki seems reasonable to me, and affordable for most. 20 times...how many wikis are there anyway? say, as suggested 200,000 is $400,000..sorry, not good at maths...seems reasonable to me to keep this side of things alive...even if its half that."There are well more than 1,000,000 wikis that have been created. Do you find this valuable? |
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Posted Anonymously |
27. RE: What To Do
Jan 18 2011, 5:08 PM EST
"There are well more than 1,000,000 wikis that have been created."WOW thats a lot...if they have so many, you would think that wetpaint would do more to help them...really its there duty of care when so many are relying on them. Even if 1/3 of them are redundant thats still an awful lot of wiki's at $20 per year...as someone suggested. They want money to keep it going, there's an answer. Do you find this valuable? |
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crystalgloss |
28. RE: What To Do
Jan 18 2011, 5:13 PM EST
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"So how does one run it on our own? Wetpaint want to make a profit from us right?..so how do we do that? Pay a small yearly fee?...how much.. $20 per wiki?...would this help? How many wikis would this include?...200,000 ? "But, what about the users who have many wikis? If they could not afford to pay for all of them, what would happen then? And, I'm sure many people would be willing to help, as long as the bugs got token care of. Do you find this valuable? |
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CryingDove |
29. RE: What To Do
Jan 18 2011, 6:03 PM EST
A couple of things here: Jeremy's title is Product Support. According to Xconomy 9/6/10 Thea Chad interview with Ben Elowiz "As for the original Wikis by Wetpaint platform—Elowitz says it’s profitable and self-sustaining." The new platform is staffed by 10 full-time writers, along with 20 freelancers. Just some trivial bits of information to spread around. P.S. Anonymous, no matter how you try, you can't hide from your vernacular. Right CS? Do you find this valuable? |