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chrisco97
chrisco97
Spambots (and how to distinguish them)
Aug 6 2010, 2:25 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 6 2010, 12:59 PM EDT
(August 06, 2010)

As many of you may know, there have been many spambots joining some sites around Wetpaint. Mostly, it is sites that have special features. (I.E. Custom Domain, Custom Navigation, Threads removed off of homepage, Centered Format, etc.) Mine, has been one of them. So, I know what they try to do.

They join, and most of the time, fill their profiles with images and videos including porn, and adult and dating sites. Which, on most sites, is unacceptable.

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So, here are some things to look out for to be able to tell if you have one join your site.

1. Most of the usernames include words like "Horny", "Kissing", "Perfect", or "Pretty."

2. Most of the usernames, but not all of them, include double numbers. (I.E. 3535, 4242) Or, they can be four of the same number. (I.E. 0000, 1111)

3. Look for common names in the username. (I.E. George, John, Emily)

4. Check your updates section frequently (www.yourdomainhere.wetpaint.com/whatsnew) to see if they have posted anything on their profiles. Most of the time it will say something like this: "PerfectEmily3535 posted 655 words, 10 images on their profile page." If you see something like this, go to their profile, and you should ban them.

If you see a member join with any of the above similarities in their username, you should ban them IMMEDIATELY. But, you may wait. Becuase they may be a real user.

Usually, they will post inappropiate stuff as soon as they join. If they do, then ban them for sure.

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What you can do to stop them:

To keep them from joining, make your site private for a little bit of time. (I.E. 1 hour) Then inform Jeremy_Wetpaint about the usernames so he can I.P. ban the users.

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If you have any more tips, post them on this thread!
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shadowmlb
shadowmlb
1. RE: Spambots (and how to distinguish them)
Aug 6 2010, 2:29 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 6 2010, 2:29 AM EDT
*Featured*

Also a simple tip to help try to stop users from joining if they continue to join is to make your site private for a short period of time. A spammer will not continue to post at a site they can't get into, although they may return later if they see they can again. Once you have made your site private, inform Jeremey_wetpaint of the spammers that are attacking your site so they can be IP banned.
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CaptainSpaz
CaptainSpaz
2. RE: Spambots (and how to distinguish them)
Aug 6 2010, 2:29 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 6 2010, 2:29 AM EDT
Also, ban first and then get started on removing material because some like to post hundreds of times before stopping. 1  out of 3 found this valuable. Do you?    
chrisco97
chrisco97
3. RE: Spambots (and how to distinguish them)
Aug 6 2010, 2:46 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 6 2010, 2:46 AM EDT
"*Featured*

Also a simple tip to help try to stop users from joining if they continue to join is to make your site private for a short period of time. A spammer will not continue to post at a site they can't get into, although they may return later if they see they can again. Once you have made your site private, inform Jeremey_wetpaint of the spammers that are attacking your site so they can be IP banned.
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Added it to the thread. Thanks for suggesting. Forgot that!
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CryingDove
CryingDove
4. RE: Spambots (and how to distinguish them)
Aug 6 2010, 3:24 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 6 2010, 3:28 AM EDT
Spambots, trolls, destroyers.,advertisers all know the secret to getting away with their garbage on Wetpaint wikis. And for the most part they sit back and laugh when they do their deeds, knowing they can do it again without any problems whatsoever. Admins and moderators scramble to clean up the mess they have made, and all the while the trolls, destroyers, advertisers, and bots know they have the power to do it again at will. Their secret is CREATE AN ACCOUNT and not be anonymous. If that account gets banned,,,hey no problem, create another.And this alone renders the IP Banning ineffective. The process cannot even be used as a deterrent.

Wetpaint has the solution for admins and moderators to use on these idiots, that haven't learned the secret yet. That solution is IP Banning.

The amount of reported instances over the past 3 years of sites being destroyed, abused or even misused by scoundrels has increased tremendously. So, I would like to suggest to Wetpaint developers to extend the IP Banning to be used on registered users.

More to Come....


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CryingDove
CryingDove
5. RE: Spambots (and how to distinguish them)
Aug 6 2010, 3:26 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 6 2010, 3:30 AM EDT
A wiki is a collaborative site. It is not a party awaiting some individuals to crash it. Many wikis have been developed through members hard work. Wetpaint has in place a safeguard, restoring of pages, but when havoc reeks. The members toil to restore their wikis to the previous state or take it into hiding for a couple of days. . But that doesn't prevent those that choose to do their childish acts. If they knew that the admins and moderators had the power to ban them completely from entering the site, they may think twice.

And personally, if I don't want an individual on my site, no matter what the reasons, I as a creator or admin or moderator, should have the ability to make that decision, whether they be a registered user or an anonymous guest.

Wetpaint can implement a solution to this increasing problem easily. Instead of making wiki owners jump through loops and hoops, implement IP Banning on user's name.

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Maxwilly
6. RE: Spambots (and how to distinguish them)
Aug 6 2010, 9:23 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 6 2010, 9:23 AM EDT
Yes, I agree with all of you. My site (http://www.scribblenautsguide.com/) Has been attacked twice now, and it has a Custom Domain, and soon Jeremy's going to have Custom Navigation up as well. My other sites that still have the sub-domain haven't been attacked at all, so you're obviously right about them targeting the special sites. 1  out of 3 found this valuable. Do you?    
naruto87
naruto87
7. RE: Spambots (and how to distinguish them)
Aug 6 2010, 9:29 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 6 2010, 9:32 AM EDT
"Yes, I agree with all of you. My site (http://www.scribblenautsguide.com/) Has been attacked twice now, and it has a Custom Domain, and soon Jeremy's going to have Custom Navigation up as well. My other sites that still have the sub-domain haven't been attacked at all, so you're obviously right about them targeting the special sites."
I all agree with you gusys also this one of the reason why wetpaint revomed the other widget tool off of profiles to due to Spammers so I all agree with you guys because this spammer promblem must stop.
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Turtulehead
Turtulehead
15. RE: Spambots (and how to distinguish them)
Aug 10 2010, 9:29 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 10 2010, 9:29 AM EDT
I agree but what I really think you should get is this program of recent activity that also tells you who is using your website so that you can extinguish them 1  out of 2 found this valuable. Do you?    

Maxwilly
16. RE: Spambots (and how to distinguish them)
Aug 10 2010, 10:18 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 10 2010, 10:18 AM EDT
"A wiki is a collaborative site. It is not a party awaiting some individuals to crash it. Many wikis have been developed through members hard work. Wetpaint has in place a safeguard, restoring of pages, but when havoc reeks. The members toil to restore their wikis to the previous state or take it into hiding for a couple of days. . But that doesn't prevent those that choose to do their childish acts. If they knew that the admins and moderators had the power to ban them completely from entering the site, they may think twice.

And personally, if I don't want an individual on my site, no matter what the reasons, I as a creator or admin or moderator, should have the ability to make that decision, whether they be a registered user or an anonymous guest.

Wetpaint can implement a solution to this increasing problem easily. Instead of making wiki owners jump through loops and hoops, implement IP Banning on user's name.

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Hang on, you said 'It renders IP Banning Ineffective'. Don't you mean 'Renders Banning Ineffective'. Because you say it's ineffective, then say that you should do it instead.

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Maxwilly
18. RE: Spambots (and how to distinguish them)
Aug 10 2010, 3:52 PM EDT | Post edited: Aug 10 2010, 3:52 PM EDT
Oh yes, another good way to stop spammers from attacking is by disabling anonymous threads. Because if people can post anonymously, well that's just making spam jobs three times as easy. Mainly because only IP banning can stop them, as they aren't signing up for an account at all. 1  out of 2 found this valuable. Do you?    

Maxwilly
20. RE: Spambots (and how to distinguish them)
Aug 14 2010, 12:36 PM EDT | Post edited: Aug 14 2010, 12:36 PM EDT
Recently I had 5 members join my site. They were called PerfectRenee4444 PerfectKari5555 PerfectJosefa3838 PerfectTwila1515 and arthur4343

You'd immediately think it was a spam attack, but strangely enough they joined-then did nothing. And never came online again.

I'm wondering why they didn't spam their way to a ban? No point banning them if they're not doing anything.
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shadowmlb
shadowmlb
21. RE: Spambots (and how to distinguish them)
Aug 14 2010, 3:55 PM EDT | Post edited: Aug 14 2010, 3:55 PM EDT
Technically it is possible for real members to have these usernames. Although it isn't always the case, it is a possibility. Plus keep in mind, most any good sites you can't ban users based only on assumptions, until a user does something wrong is when they can be banned. If users like this join and leave, then leave them. Maybe they do something later, who knows? Still they didn't do anything to that point. 1  out of 2 found this valuable. Do you?    

Maxwilly
22. RE: Spambots (and how to distinguish them)
Aug 14 2010, 4:09 PM EDT | Post edited: Aug 14 2010, 4:09 PM EDT
Perhaps that's why I didn't ban them? And said there's no point banning them if they're not doing anything?

Anyway, the only reason I posted that was because they all joined at the same time, used similar usernames and so far match the criteria that chrisco97 posted.
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chrisco97
chrisco97
24. RE: Spambots (and how to distinguish them)
Aug 15 2010, 12:21 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 15 2010, 12:21 AM EDT
Here is my advice:

When this happened to me, I let them stay, but then about 2 days later they posted the content. (porn) So, I ban anyone with the username because I do not want it to happen again. That is my opinion though, so don't get mad if you think it is insane.
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Maxwilly
25. RE: Spambots (and how to distinguish them)
Aug 15 2010, 4:34 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 15 2010, 4:34 AM EDT
Oh I don't think that's insane at all. The people who are suspected spammers have been around since the 5th, 4th and 3rd of August. And haven't been online since. 0  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    

moderator_kevin
26. RE: Spambots (and how to distinguish them)
Aug 15 2010, 9:06 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 15 2010, 9:06 AM EDT
Please don't turn this into a discussion. 0  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    

Maxwilly
28. RE: Spambots (and how to distinguish them)
Aug 15 2010, 12:57 PM EDT | Post edited: Aug 15 2010, 12:57 PM EDT
Why is it the discussion forum if you don't want it to be a discussion, about wetpaint, that follows the rules and is perfectly relevant? Do you find this valuable?    
Marsden
Marsden
29. RE: Spambots (and how to distinguish them)
Oct 11 2010, 5:17 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 11 2010, 5:17 PM EDT
"Why is it the discussion forum if you don't want it to be a discussion, about wetpaint, that follows the rules and is perfectly relevant?"
You made a fair point there.
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30. RE: Spambots (and how to distinguish them)
Oct 16 2010, 11:37 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 16 2010, 11:37 AM EDT
i never had my site attacked and i dont want it to be but if how do i IP ban?

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