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lynnettekelley
lynnettekelley
Invitees can't join wiki
Sep 25 2009, 12:39 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 25 2009, 12:39 PM EDT
I sent an invitation to 4 people to join my wiki (thoughtform.wetpaint.com). All 4 of them said that they were unable to join. As I looked searched through the Help and Discussion Forums, I found a lot of other people complaining about this problem over the years, but I had trouble finding what the solution was. So what happens is that they get an email saying they were invited, as expected. But when they click on the "Accept Invitation" link, it takes them to the Sign In screen of the wiki, where the only option is to Sign In... there is no option to "join", which is what I would expect to see, since they were invited and need to join first. All 4 of them have wetpaint accounts, and have tried logging out, quitting the browser, then accepting the invitation, and that doesn't work. I've resent the invitation to one of them, and that didn't work either. What is going on, and how can I get these users in to the wiki? I must say, I really hate this way of getting members to join. It would be so much easier if they could go to the site and request to get in, and I just say yes or no. I'm also surprised to see that this problem has been happening for years, but that I couldn't find a fix in the forums. Maybe I just didn't look hard enough, but I don't have time to be scouring the wiki for the answer. I'm sorry about that. Any help that anyone can give will be greatly appreciated. 3  out of 3 found this valuable. Do you?    
chrisco97
chrisco97
1. RE: Invitees can't join wiki
Sep 25 2009, 12:49 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 25 2009, 12:49 PM EDT
If your site is private, you can't invite to private wikis anymore. The solution is to make the site public, let them join, then make it private again. 5  out of 5 found this valuable. Do you?    

Posted Anonymously
2. RE: Invitees can't join wiki
Sep 25 2009, 1:33 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 25 2009, 1:33 PM EDT
Thanks. I just found this information in another series of posts as well. Bummer. 2  out of 2 found this valuable. Do you?    
SuperSpaz
SuperSpaz
3. RE: Invitees can't join wiki
Sep 25 2009, 1:44 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 25 2009, 1:44 PM EDT
It is on the home page with info with it. You can make the site public and let the members join. Then you canlet the members join and then you can make it private.

~SuperSpaz
Wetpaint central RU
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chrisco97
chrisco97
4. RE: Invitees can't join wiki
Sep 25 2009, 1:50 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 25 2009, 1:50 PM EDT
"Thanks. I just found this information in another series of posts as well. Bummer."
No problem!
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Posted Anonymously
5. RE: Invitees can't join wiki
Sep 27 2009, 3:18 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 27 2009, 3:18 PM EDT
"If your site is private, you can't invite to private wikis anymore. The solution is to make the site public, let them join, then make it private again."
Why can't we invite to private wikis any more? This is nuts!. So I open the page for a day and my kids (yes, not adults) are vulnerable.
Paranoid? I have to be as the first teacher in my district to try this wiki thing. Please bring this up for discussion; this is flawed.

Oh, and since WEtpaint "updated" my site is being reviewed again by my district, I suppose to see if there is "danger". I just hope it doesn't happen every time you update.
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Baby_Apple
Baby_Apple
6. RE: Invitees can't join wiki
Sep 27 2009, 3:24 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 27 2009, 3:24 PM EDT
Wetpaint introduces new features about once a month. Do you find this valuable?    

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7. same problem
Oct 1 2009, 6:20 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 1 2009, 6:20 PM EDT
I just created a whole group of wikis for my grad courses - filled with soon to be teachers; I have gone through untold time & stress problems trying to figure out why they couldn't get in. I am now going back and removing much material so that I can go public so that I can go private. Where did this decision come from ? Seems I can't trust wetpaint to be reliable. Do you find this valuable?    
robboyd
robboyd
8. Private Wiki Invites no longer working
Oct 3 2009, 8:47 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 3 2009, 8:47 AM EDT
Myself and our moderators are about to go through the painful process of moving off the wetpaint platform for almost 1,000 members of our community wiki. The inability to invite people to the private site any longer is a major deal-killer for us. I am not a programmer but I just can't understand why something so seemingly simple can't be fixed? Major implications for any private site...c'mon! I remember meeting Chris Kollas and Steven Sather when I first started this site (castle hills) as we talked about improving our enterprise relationship and the possibility of appearing on my TechWiseTV web show. I hate to walk away. Do you find this valuable?    
walrusworldstudios
walrusworldstudios
9. RE: Private Wiki Invites no longer working
Oct 3 2009, 9:17 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 3 2009, 9:17 AM EDT
I understand your problem. However, there is a simple solution invite people on your site. You need to create the site public for just an hour or so, and wait until the members you want on join. Then, you can make the site private again.

I realize you are worried about other people that you do not want on your site may see the content. Chances are if a private site is opened for an hour or even a day or so, no one is going to notice it. Search Engines do not automattically put private sites up after a hour or two of making it public. This process usually takes 2-3 days to do. So, if you make the site private for a day, chances are no one is going to see it, and you will be fine.

-Walrusworldstudios
WPC Community Moderator
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Baby_Apple
Baby_Apple
10. RE: Private Wiki Invites no longer working
Oct 3 2009, 10:37 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 3 2009, 10:37 AM EDT
"Myself and our moderators are about to go through the painful process of moving off the wetpaint platform for almost 1,000 members of our community wiki. The inability to invite people to the private site any longer is a major deal-killer for us. I am not a programmer but I just can't understand why something so seemingly simple can't be fixed? Major implications for any private site...c'mon! I remember meeting Chris Kollas and Steven Sather when I first started this site (castle hills) as we talked about improving our enterprise relationship and the possibility of appearing on my TechWiseTV web show. I hate to walk away. "
Private sites are less profitable that public sites, because the advertisers who fund Wetpaint have no way of knowing how much traffic private sites are getting. Wetpaint is using more of their resources to develop more features for public sites, and less to support problems with private sites.

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robboyd
robboyd
11. RE: Private Wiki Invites no longer working
Oct 3 2009, 4:11 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 3 2009, 4:11 PM EDT
"Private sites are less profitable that public sites, because the advertisers who fund Wetpaint have no way of knowing how much traffic private sites are getting. Wetpaint is using more of their resources to develop more features for public sites, and less to support problems with private sites.

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This is a very valid point. We are certainly at risk using a free platform and are perhaps a victim of our (relative) success. It seems like a simple thing to correct whatever bug is keeping this from being fixed...I am cool if private sites quit getting new features but c'mon...not fixing something broken?
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Naru2008
Naru2008
12. RE: Private Wiki Invites no longer working
Oct 3 2009, 4:37 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 3 2009, 4:45 PM EDT
"This is a very valid point. We are certainly at risk using a free platform and are perhaps a victim of our (relative) success. It seems like a simple thing to correct whatever bug is keeping this from being fixed...I am cool if private sites quit getting new features but c'mon...not fixing something broken? "
robboyd, Baby_Apple jusr said private sites are less profitable than public sites because Wetpaint's advertisers can't/don't have a way to see how much traffic all of the private sites get.

They can't just " fix " it. This isn't the only time they/we have had problems with private sites, they have had problems with them over the years.

IMO, everyone needs to stop being stubborn about this change and just do as we have said in all threads:

' Just make your site public for a(n) hour or so then make it private again. '

It's not THAT big a deal. I think some people are just TOO lasy to do that small bit above. ( No offense. )
-_-

~Naru2008
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robboyd
robboyd
13. RE: Private Wiki Invites no longer working
Oct 3 2009, 5:10 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 3 2009, 5:10 PM EDT
No offense taken. Its not a lazy thing really...its just a un-needed hassle. We have about 10 new users per week...there is no way to coordinate a window of opportunity among anymore than a few people.

Also, to clarify, the fix I am referring to is the buggy headfake we have been giving people by sending them an invite that does not actually work as advertised. That is something that is broken. I understand the need to measure eyeballs and pay for the resource - this is how I get paid in my real job - no problem. Perhaps, if private sites are not supported any longer than the invite button should be turned off?
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Naru2008
Naru2008
14. RE: Private Wiki Invites no longer working
Oct 3 2009, 5:17 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 3 2009, 5:17 PM EDT
"No offense taken. Its not a lazy thing really...its just a un-needed hassle. We have about 10 new users per week...there is no way to coordinate a window of opportunity among anymore than a few people.

Also, to clarify, the fix I am referring to is the buggy headfake we have been giving people by sending them an invite that does not actually work as advertised. That is something that is broken. I understand the need to measure eyeballs and pay for the resource - this is how I get paid in my real job - no problem. Perhaps, if private sites are not supported any longer than the invite button should be turned off?"
It may be taken into consideration by the Mods and Jeremy. If you wish, you can send them a PM about that idea. Can't really say they will accept it, but it is possible.
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shadowmlb
shadowmlb
15. RE: Private Wiki Invites no longer working
Oct 3 2009, 5:19 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 3 2009, 5:19 PM EDT
I believe it is planed to be removed in the upcoming update, but I do not make any guarantee. Do you find this valuable?    

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16. RE: Invitees can't join wiki
Oct 4 2009, 7:02 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 4 2009, 7:02 PM EDT
"If your site is private, you can't invite to private wikis anymore. The solution is to make the site public, let them join, then make it private again."
I have a private educational wiki with no ads. If I open my site for an hours to try to get my students on, (We've also been trying for days.) will I have to repeat the process of applying for an ad-free site?
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shadowmlb
shadowmlb
17. RE: Invitees can't join wiki
Oct 4 2009, 7:09 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 4 2009, 7:09 PM EDT
"I have a private educational wiki with no ads. If I open my site for an hours to try to get my students on, (We've also been trying for days.) will I have to repeat the process of applying for an ad-free site?"
If your site has already had it's ads removed, they will still be removed if you make your site public.
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Naru2008
Naru2008
18. RE: Invitees can't join wiki
Oct 4 2009, 7:09 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 4 2009, 7:09 PM EDT
"I have a private educational wiki with no ads. If I open my site for an hours to try to get my students on, (We've also been trying for days.) will I have to repeat the process of applying for an ad-free site?"
You shouldn't have to, it should stay ad free.

~Naru2008
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Posted Anonymously
19. RE: Invitees can't join wiki
Oct 6 2009, 10:07 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 6 2009, 10:07 PM EDT
Lynnette, Rob, and anon,

A number of us are quite angry about this change. Wetpaint has truly left many people in the lurch. You can get more info by contacting sbwetpaint@gmail.com. (SB is an acronym for a memorable offensive term).

Naru, Shadow, Baby, and Walrus,

Please don't attempt to censor my communication with Lynnette, Rob, and anon. Either Wetpaint Central is an open forum where people can communicate freely or it is a censored tool of a selfish profit-motivated company. I think that it is an open forum, but if it ever changes, I hope that you will feel as betrayed as we do. If that ever happens, believe me that I will be on your side. You have my email.

Wetpaint may have underestimated just how much we have invested in our wikis and how much they have hurt us. Please Wetpaint, give us a real workaround.
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