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Posted Anonymously |
Invitation to private wiki not allowing invitees to participate
Sep 21 2009, 3:07 PM EDT
Greetings EveryoneI have a private wiki for my class which I created in the spring and made some modifications a couple of weeks ago. I have not sent invitations to my new set of students and when they try to accept the invitation it takes them to a member sign in page. I told all of my students to create accounts and I tried sending them the another invitation in hopes that they would click on the invitation and then sign in with their accounts. However, this did not work as well. I need to know how to sent invites to my students for a private wiki and the actual invitation work. I look forward to anyone's reply! TLSB 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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tikisuarezbrown |
1. RE: Invitation to private wiki not allowing invitees to participate
Sep 21 2009, 3:13 PM EDT
Please disregard previous question - I found my answer in a previous thread and this seems to be a current problem with wetpaint...
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Posted Anonymously |
2. RE: Invitation to private wiki not allowing invitees to participate
Oct 13 2009, 2:07 PM EDT
I'm having exactly the same problem, and can't seem to resolve it. Can you share what you found?
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tpwd-cvictori |
3. RE: Invitation to private wiki not allowing invitees to participate
Nov 30 2009, 5:25 PM EST
Hi - I am having the exact same problem, which is really hurting the momentum to get people participating. Can you share what you found to solve this? Thanks.
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Naru2008 |
4. RE: Invitation to private wiki not allowing invitees to participate
Nov 30 2009, 5:31 PM EST
"Hi - I am having the exact same problem, which is really hurting the momentum to get people participating. Can you share what you found to solve this? Thanks."Invites were dropped for Private sites. To let members to join, you must make your site public, then private again after they have joined. Changing site's setting for Private and Public are under ' Settings ' and then under ' Permissions '. -Alex, WPC RU. Do you find this valuable? |
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Posted Anonymously |
5. RE: Invitation to private wiki not allowing invitees to participate
Dec 10 2009, 12:38 PM EST
This is NOT helpful. I can't find 'settings' on the group page. It's not clear how to change the settings. Obviously I'm a newbie with Google groups.
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jeremy_wetpaint |
6. RE: Invitation to private wiki not allowing invitees to participate
Dec 10 2009, 3:29 PM EST
"This is NOT helpful. I can't find 'settings' on the group page. It's not clear how to change the settings. Obviously I'm a newbie with Google groups."This isn't Google sites, but if you want to know how to change Wetpaint site permissions go to: http://www.wetpaintcentral.com/page/Site+Permissions+Settings Do you find this valuable? |
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aaronDelwiche |
7. RE: Invitation to private wiki not allowing invitees to participate
Jan 14 2010, 8:43 AM EST
"Invites were dropped for Private sites. To let members to join, you must make your site public, then private again after they have joined. Changing site's setting for Private and Public are under ' Settings ' and then under ' Permissions '.As a paying member, I can only note that this decision to drop invitations for private sites is absolutely ridiculous from a usability standpoint. The entire point of a private wiki is the ability to carefully monitor access. Suggesting that people have to go public to add new members is absolutely bizarre. What if the content of the wiki were potentially embarrassing (e.g. a wiki for alcoholics or for survivors of sexual abuse)? This policy seems like something that was hoisted upon the subscribers as a result of a programmer being too lazy to implement the correct code. I've been using Wetpaint for four or five months, but this is the first time I've encountered such a ludicrous policy. Can anyone on this thread enlighten me about the best way that a subscriber can escalate their issues and get some sort of response? Thanks. Why was this decision made? How was it communicated to paying subscribers? Do you find this valuable? |
CryingDove |
8. RE: Invitation to private wiki not allowing invitees to participate
Jan 14 2010, 12:15 PM EST
The reasons for dropping private site invitations as expressed here on this site several times are as follows:1. It took twice as much time to test new features on a private site than a public site. 2. Wetpaint did not have the manpower resources to allow for the continuation of support for the Private Site and along with Ad-Free Educational sites. (27% of Wetpaint's employees were cut in July 2009). So contrary programmers being too lazy, I would imagine they are quite busy trying to meet project goals. 3. The communications between Wetpaint and its' Community has always been on this site with Newsletters, Threads and Home Page announcements. 4. As a paid subscriber, the only benefit you receive for your fee is not having ads on your wiki pages, not for having a private site, which is available to all. 5. Private sites by nature go against the concept of collaboration offered by wiki sites. 6. Wetpaint as a wiki farm that uses advertising to offset the cost of operation, found the advertisers did not want their ads on sites where they could not see the content of the site. That led to re-thinking the private site feature. (This does not apply to paid subscribers, but may benefit others reading this thread). Those are the reasons that were supplied here on Wetpaint Central. The private site invitations are gone. The way to get new members to private sites has also been supplied by Wetpaint. Whether that be acceptable or not, that is what Wetpaint is offering. The fear of having someone infiltrate your private information contained on your wiki, for the short period of time that it may be public for "directed" new members to join is somewhat unwarranted. Chances are that only the members of your private wiki even know it exists and would-be peepers are not spending 24/7 outside your wiki door awaiting that moment's opportunity to peek at your site. Do you find this valuable? |
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jeremy_wetpaint |
9. RE: Invitation to private wiki not allowing invitees to participate
Jan 14 2010, 1:37 PM EST
What CryingDove said above pretty much summarizes things. There was initially discussion of completely dropping support for private sites since invitations would no longer work with them, but we decided that there was still some value in having the ability to switch a site back and forth from public to private. Wetpaint was never designed to be a platform with iron clad security. If that is what you need, then we encourage you to find a platform that is specifically designed around that idea.
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Posted Anonymously |
10. RE: Invitation to private wiki not allowing invitees to participate
Jan 18 2010, 10:07 PM EST
Hi there can you bring back which allows Moderators up could invite new members to a private site so our members can still invite their friends this would be greatly appreciated .
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Posted Anonymously |
11. RE: Invitation to private wiki not allowing invitees to participate
Jan 18 2010, 10:12 PM EST
Hi There could you bring back Moderators and up can invite members to a private site , I've just tried it as we have made our site private we need to still be able to allow our members to invite their friends is this possible i hope so , it would be greatly appreciated as i could once but not now.
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CryingDove |
12. RE: Invitation to private wiki not allowing invitees to participate
Jan 18 2010, 10:13 PM EST
Invites to private sites is not at this time available. The reasons for this are stated in this thread. That function will probably not return again.
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Posted Anonymously |
13. RE: Invitation to private wiki not allowing invitees to participate
Jan 18 2010, 10:19 PM EST
thank you for your reply but thats a real shame to hear , because allowing the tools to invite while private site saw a fantastic idea and one that got me using wepaint in the first place sorry to hear the tools are gone for Moderators and up thanks for your time .
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aaronDelwiche |
14. RE: Invitation to private wiki not allowing invitees to participate
Jan 19 2010, 9:31 AM EST
"Invites to private sites is not at this time available. The reasons for this are stated in this thread. That function will probably not return again. "The claim that "private sites go against the concept of collaboration offered by wiki sites" is absolute claptrap. There are plenty of reasons to want to collaborate with a small, select group of people without necessarily opening up the process to the entire world of Internet users. Crying Dove implies that concerns about this policy are unwarranted paranoia. But what about the examples offered in my message? For example, a site in which recovering alcoholics speak openly to one another without having to cloak their identities? Or a site for people recovering from sexual abuse as children? Or a site being used by teachers who want students to speak their minds freely without worrying that the entire world be able to snoop on their conversations? The desire for privacy is not paranoid. Nor is the desire for privacy the antithesis of collaboration. To add salt to the wound, this decision was made because advertisers were unable to place contextual advertisements on sites they could not see. So... paying subscribers are still being affected by the whims of the advertisers. I have worked in several startups, and understand the brutality of layoffs. I also realize the importance of developing a viable business plan. However, a business model that does not put the authentic needs of its users at the center of its mission is doomed to failure. I'm very disappointed with this development, and remain unconvinced by the reasons stated in this thread. It has inspired me to learn how to use Media Wiki so I can maintain my own system. It might lack the awesome user interface of Wetpaint, but I won't be stuck under the thumb of technocrats and advertisers. Time to back up my content. Do you find this valuable? |
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CryingDove |
15. RE: Invitation to private wiki not allowing invitees to participate
Jan 19 2010, 11:07 AM EST
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"I have worked in several startups, and understand the brutality of layoffs. I also realize the importance of developing a viable business plan. However, a business model that does not put the authentic needs of its users at the center of its mission is doomed to failure. "There within the quote lies the answer. Wetpaint decided to alter their business plan to prepare for a sustainable future. Their business plan is migrating away from a "long-tailed, get as many users as possible to create wikis" for ad placements on pages. Thus affording the opportunity for revenue sharing only after 100000 page views per month. The advertising dollars just aren't there for those small sites -- sometimes built around weddings, family reunions and other very targeted events. And certainly the ones that are described in this thread. Many of the tiny sites attract only a few hundred page views each month. Certainly the private sites had produced even a smaller amount of page views. And at present the private sites produce no opportunities for revenue sharing and was deemed so by the advertisers. And that's forcing Wetpaint to focus efforts on the bigger ticket entertainment sites that drive much of the traffic through the network. In recent months, Wetpaint has been pushing into those areas with promotion of its wiki-designed sites around TV shows, movies, games and other forms of entertainment. 1. Startups will have to trim resources in order to stay afloat. 2. A viable business plan must be in place to assure the investors will see a ROI on their investments and for the company to turn a profit. Any business model must meet that simple criteria. 3. The authentic needs of the users of Wetpaint are still in place. It is still the easiest wiki farm on the internet, thus allowing opportunities for more non-technical savvy people to have their niche on the net. (Continuing in the next post.) Do you find this valuable? |
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CryingDove |
16. RE: Invitation to private wiki not allowing invitees to participate
Jan 19 2010, 11:22 AM EST
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The private site feature was to end entirely. One person ( jeremy_wetpaint ) stood to prevent that from happening. Those seeking more security for their existing private sites that find the process of private-public-private not acceptable will move on to other wiki venues to suit their needs. Wetpaint knew the decision to stop private site invites would create a stir amongst the community of private site owners. There is angst, disappointments and certainly requests to have it return. July 2009 is when the process ended. It is now January 2010 and the revival of invites to private sites has not occurred. I would imagine it is not likely to return. Do you find this valuable? |
