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DaveGreb |
60. RE: Invites and Private Sites - not working
Sep 29 2009, 8:32 PM EDT
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"Having someone nefarious, stumble upon your site during the window of opportunity you have set up for new members to join would in all probabilities never happen. I invite you to look over this page. It is set up for Educators, but you may find it helpful.The subject matter that our organization is working on is web searched constantly. We understand that there are peer and adversarial professionals who want to see what we are doing. Any tips as to when our site is open could easily play havoc with all the other professionals spending valuable unpaid time building the content on our site. Private logins are a peace of mind for us. 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Baby_Apple |
61. RE: Invites and Private Sites - not working
Sep 29 2009, 8:35 PM EDT
If your wiki is open for 5 minutes while you add new members, then there is no way that anyone else can find your site. Web crawlers don't work that fast.
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62. RE: Invites and Private Sites - not working
Sep 29 2009, 10:03 PM EDT
"If your wiki is open for 5 minutes while you add new members, then there is no way that anyone else can find your site. Web crawlers don't work that fast."You continue to miss the point here. Some folks have chosen Wetpaint as a host site because they can offer their members complete privacy (short of being hacked). It doesn't matter if the site is public for 2 hours, 5 minutes or 5 seconds--the point is the admins can no longer claim complete security and privacy of the content added to their site. No one is suggesting that your solution is not viable--it is. But the fact remains that your solution pales in comparison to what the admins signed up for--complete privacy all the time. 1 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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CryingDove |
63. RE: Invites and Private Sites - not working
Sep 29 2009, 11:15 PM EDT
"You continue to miss the point here. Some folks have chosen Wetpaint as a host site because they can offer their members complete privacy (short of being hacked). It doesn't matter if the site is public for 2 hours, 5 minutes or 5 seconds--the point is the admins can no longer claim complete security and privacy of the content added to their site. No one is suggesting that your solution is not viable--it is. But the fact remains that your solution pales in comparison to what the admins signed up for--complete privacy all the time."The only fact that remains is the feature to Invite to Private Sites has been removed, for reasons that Wetpaint has stated. The community members who have tried to provide, some sort of way to get members into a private site does not fit your needs. I don't think they missed any point. The 100% privacy no longer exists as required by you and also DaveGreb. You may only have one solution to your problems now, that is to find another wiki farm that will give you the needed security. Do you find this valuable? |
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Baby_Apple |
64. RE: Invites and Private Sites - not working
Sep 30 2009, 6:17 AM EDT
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As CryingDove pointed out, we are not Wetpaint employees. There is a limit to what we can do, and I'm afraid we can't bring invitations sent from private wikis. We have both offered you a solution of our own, but if it is not the solution you seek, then you'll have to find another web host that can better suit your needs.0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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DaveGreb |
65. RE: Invites and Private Sites - not working
Sep 30 2009, 9:12 AM EDT
"You continue to miss the point here. Some folks have chosen Wetpaint as a host site because they can offer their members complete privacy (short of being hacked). It doesn't matter if the site is public for 2 hours, 5 minutes or 5 seconds--the point is the admins can no longer claim complete security and privacy of the content added to their site. No one is suggesting that your solution is not viable--it is. But the fact remains that your solution pales in comparison to what the admins signed up for--complete privacy all the time."Jclimenth, You are correct. The Wetpaint representatives are minimizing the real issue of "Peace of Mind" that brought us here, and who knows how many others. They have arbitrarily calculated a low risk to the compromised integrity, regardless of what we think. I created and administrate 3 wetpaint sites, with more on the way, that only came about because of the privacy feature (now compromised). There are hundreds of diverse professionals, that are not commonly employed, that are (were) destined to be exposed to Wetpaint. This move by Wetpaint does not alienate one small segment. A mechanical work-around that keeps the site always in private mode would be a constructive solution. I believe I read a suggestion early in this thread that has merit. It would be nice if the decision makers (Wetpaint employees) will pledge to work on this and communicate such. Apparently, we are only communicating with ourselves and unpaid Wetpaint representatives trying to work a thankless position. 2 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Posted Anonymously |
67. RE: Invites and Private Sites - not working
Oct 1 2009, 12:16 AM EDT
Much to my dismay I have just found out about the private site invitation elimination. Ironically it was also just today that I received IRB approval of my doctoral dissertation. Part of my study was the use of an online group I have already created. I am at a loss with this change as it has completely railroaded my study process. With the integrity of confidentiality compromised beyond what my IRB committee will allow, I have just lost a year's worth the preparation process. I will now need to move my already created site, rewrite IRB application, and prolong my graduation.I am beyond words in expressing how this has negatively affected me. Their are professionals that placed a large amount of trust into what was offered here. 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Posted Anonymously |
68. RE: Invites and Private Sites - not working
Oct 1 2009, 6:03 AM EDT
I'm sure Wetpaint will lose far more users by not allowing invites to private sites. The fact that the information about the change is minimal, proves how poor their judgement has been in this matter... What's the point of even having private wikis, if you can't invite others to contribute? That's the whole point with wikis... (Ok, making the wiki public for the time people register, is not a good fix.)I hope Wetpaint revalue their choice, and offer private wikis even in the future... 2 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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69. RE: Invites and Private Sites - not working
Oct 1 2009, 11:33 AM EDT
You have offered a great solution here! Yes - I will definitely be MOVING my site!!!! I will "find another web host that can better suit" my needs - Can anyone else offer professionalism, integrity, and committment to its customers???? In light of today's competition - no problem. If my business can do it - so can others. 2 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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70. RE: Invites and Private Sites - not working
Oct 3 2009, 9:20 AM EDT
This is a major issue for me, as I do invite select alumna who now live in other cities to join the site as mentors to my students. I will ask my students to vote whether they want to leave wetpaint and set up another wiki or to work with the inconvenience (sometimes impossibility) of communicating with mentors only by email from their homes.
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walrusworldstudios |
71. RE: Invites and Private Sites - not working
Oct 3 2009, 10:15 AM EDT
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I understand your problem. However, there is a simple solution invite people on your site. You need to create the site public for just an hour or so, and wait until the members you want on join. Then, you can make the site private again once all the members have joined.I realize you are worried about other people that you do not want on your site may see the content. Chances are if a private site is opened for an hour or even a day or so, no one is going to notice it. Search Engines do not automatically put private sites up after a hour or two of making it public. This process usually takes 2-3 days to do. So, if you make the site private for a day, chances are no one is going to see it, and you will be fine. -Walrusworldstudios WPC Community Moderator Do you find this valuable? |
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72. RE: Invites and Private Sites - not working
Oct 3 2009, 11:10 AM EDT
"create the site public" is obviously not a popular solution
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walrusworldstudios |
73. RE: Invites and Private Sites - not working
Oct 3 2009, 11:14 AM EDT
It may not be a popular solution, but it is the only one that is available at the moment. Until wetpaint either ads the invite feature back, or someone comes up with another way to do it, then, making the site public is the only practical solution.
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Posted Anonymously |
74. RE: Invites and Private Sites - not working
Oct 4 2009, 2:10 AM EDT
Just to add my 2 cents worth, we would never have chosen Wetpaint if we had known this was going to happen. We have an organisation of 600, it is a non-profit, we have NO money, and we all work in education. We have gone to enormous amounts of trouble to try and get wetpaint through our servers and now not only do we have to do the same thing with the twitter, facebook etc connection. Now our users cannot get on, we have wasted hours trying to get them on because nobody told us what was happening, we will have to make our site open for at least a month to all everyone in, then open it every single time we want a user on there. This is really ordinary service. To shift means the moderating team who have already spent hours of their own private time voluntarily putting the site up will have yet more work. Very very disappointing!We browsed a lot of sites before we chose this one, sort it out please. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Naru2008 |
75. RE: Invites and Private Sites - not working
Oct 4 2009, 4:14 AM EDT
"Just to add my 2 cents worth, we would never have chosen Wetpaint if we had known this was going to happen. We have an organisation of 600, it is a non-profit, we have NO money, and we all work in education. We have gone to enormous amounts of trouble to try and get wetpaint through our servers and now not only do we have to do the same thing with the twitter, facebook etc connection. Now our users cannot get on, we have wasted hours trying to get them on because nobody told us what was happening, we will have to make our site open for at least a month to all everyone in, then open it every single time we want a user on there. This is really ordinary service. To shift means the moderating team who have already spent hours of their own private time voluntarily putting the site up will have yet more work. Very very disappointing!I am getting tired of repeating everyone else's or my comments on this subject. Anonymous user above: Most of us didn't know about it until it actually happened. Everyone who is complaing, which is alot of people, and i'm sure alot of people repeat their complaining: Look, this isn't the first time all of us have had trouble with the Invite, there have been trouble with the invites in the past years, with alot of complaining, well, now that it is gone, you should stop complaining, but you people keep complaing about this over and over, and just refuse to stop! They got rid of it because the people who are the creators of the ads on every Wetpaint sites, can't tell how much traffic the private sites are getting. Also, I believe they got rid of it so all of the complaints from all of you would stop. Apparently, youl still aren't satisfied with Wetpaint's services. They do their best to keep you people happy, but what do they get in return? Yes, that's right, more complaints, even after you asked them to make a change to all the sites. GIVE THEM A BRAKE!!!! They are nice enough to do what you ask them, and yet you complain more and more about the new change. I am sick and tired of it, to be honest. There IS a good thing to come out of this: No more problems with invites!! You complained about the invites and wanted something done, now that they did something, you just complain more wanting it back, when you wanted it gone in the first place. Also, it isn't that hard to make your site public for about a hour or so, that way people can join, then you can make it private again, then, if there is someone who joined the site that shouldn't, ( Which there is almost a 100% chance no one will ) then just ban them. It isn't THAT hard of a thing to do. Just do it and stop complaining already! -_- ~Naru2008 0 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Naru2008 |
76. RE: Invites and Private Sites - not working
Oct 4 2009, 4:35 AM EDT
"I am getting tired of repeating everyone else's or my comments on this subject.Also, I have heard and read that in the next Wetpaint update, the invite button will be taken off. I can not confirm, or deny that, but it has been taken into consideration as part of Wetpaint's next update, that way, youl wont waste time sending invites, when the users who get them can't join. Instead, you can just make the site public for a hour or so, then make it private again instead of getting complaints from users who have recieved your invite, but are not able to sign in. Simple. ~Naru2008 0 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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77. RE: Invites and Private Sites - not working
Oct 4 2009, 7:56 AM EDT
"It may not be a popular solution, but it is the only one that is available at the moment. Until wetpaint either ads the invite feature back, or someone comes up with another way to do it, then, making the site public is the only practical solution. "How about a script that with a click: Validates an existing member from WetpaintCentral that the private admin enters into an input field; If true, turn the site public, add the member with viewer rights only, copying all or some of the profile, and turn the site private again. This would take seconds. The member can then change his/her profile, and/or the admin can change permissions later if desired. Do you find this valuable? |
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78. RE: Invites and Private Sites - not working
Oct 4 2009, 8:11 AM EDT
"Also, I have heard and read that in the next Wetpaint update, the invite button will be taken off. I can not confirm, or deny that, but it has been taken into consideration as part of Wetpaint's next update, that way, youl wont waste time sending invites, when the users who get them can't join. Instead, you can just make the site public for a hour or so, then make it private again instead of getting complaints from users who have recieved your invite, but are not able to sign in. Simple.Naru doesn't get it. This isn't a concern of mechanics. It is about keeping private content private, all the time. Assessments of probability and risk are in the eyes of the private beholders and are for them to judge, not you. Do you find this valuable? |
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walrusworldstudios |
79. RE: Invites and Private Sites - not working
Oct 4 2009, 8:18 AM EDT
No, guess what, YOU do not get it. None of us replying to this thread work for wetpaint, so, removing private sites was not our decision. Wetpaint has given you options to get people you want on your site. However, there is a way to get people on your site with leaving it private. For more information, view: http://splats2.wetpaint.com/page/Private+Site+Inviting 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Naru2008 |
80. RE: Invites and Private Sites - not working
Oct 4 2009, 11:08 AM EDT
"No, guess what, YOU do not get it. None of us replying to this thread work for wetpaint, so, removing private sites was not our decision. Wetpaint has given you options to get people you want on your site.Anonymous above Walrus: I may be judging people, but it is the truth. ALL of it. I haven't been on Wetpaint for over a year, but guess what, I know alot about Wetpaint. It happened from me, and some good friends to help me learn about wetpaint. I DO get it, and I DO understand it! Walrus: Thanks. :) Do you find this valuable? |