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chrisco97
chrisco97
40. RE: Invites and Private Sites - not working
Sep 28 2009, 4:23 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 28 2009, 4:23 PM EDT
I know it was a bad thing Wetpaint did, but it's done. Let's all just drop it. 0  out of 2 found this valuable. Do you?    
walrusworldstudios
walrusworldstudios
41. RE: Invites and Private Sites - not working
Sep 28 2009, 4:25 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 28 2009, 4:25 PM EDT
Hey Dave. I understand your problem that you need privacy all the time, however, making the site private for a few hours is not going to effect anything. As Baby_apple said earlier in this thread, a site being public will not show on Google or any other search engine for at least a few days. So, leaving the site public for two hours is not a problem, because, people will not see the site.

Advertisers charge more to place advertisements on private sites, because not many people will see them. The advertisements on the private wikis will only be seen by the few members on that wiki. Advertisers like Public sites better because many people will see the ads, and that will give them more money.

I hope this clears it up for you.

~Walrusworldstudios. (Matthew) 0  out of 2 found this valuable. Do you?    

DaveGreb
42. RE: Invites and Private Sites - not working
Sep 28 2009, 4:28 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 28 2009, 4:28 PM EDT
"Thank you for your comment Dave. It is important to stay clam and collected at a time like this, which is something that you have displayed in your post. On your concerns on advertising. Yes advertisements appear on your private sites, but that restricts the number of people that view them each day. Advertisers want you to see the ads as much as possible, and the less money that Wetpaint will get if they are not viewed. This money is important to go towards updates, allowing you to keep your site up, and paying workers salary. "
Appreciated. However, the advertisers will have fewer viewers if we can't get Wetpaint to reconsider this issue. I project doubling our professional users in the next 6 months and then doubling again in another 8 months. We are just getting systems worked out and people are (were) loving it. This will flat out kill our desire to stay with Wetpaint. 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
chrisco97
chrisco97
43. RE: Invites and Private Sites - not working
Sep 28 2009, 4:32 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 28 2009, 4:32 PM EDT
Yeah, but still, two hours will not hurt anything. 0  out of 3 found this valuable. Do you?    

DaveGreb
44. RE: Invites and Private Sites - not working
Sep 28 2009, 4:41 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 28 2009, 4:41 PM EDT
Matthew, I understand your points. The sensitivity of material on our sites will prohibit us from staying. However, we can't have any exposure issues. The sites that are still in their infancy will ramp up to a wide user base in a year or so. While this is a bummer for us, it would certainly be worse if you did this to us a year from now. Good luck. 0  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
walrusworldstudios
walrusworldstudios
45. RE: Invites and Private Sites - not working
Sep 28 2009, 4:43 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 28 2009, 4:43 PM EDT
I understand your points, and I respect them. Thank you for being calm and collected when posting a compliant about this topic. I appreciate it. Do you find this valuable?    
Baby_Apple
Baby_Apple
46. RE: Invites and Private Sites - not working
Sep 28 2009, 4:43 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 28 2009, 4:43 PM EDT
Technically, the site will be "viewable by anyone" for a day or two, but the chance that someone outside your company will view is almost 0%. 0  out of 2 found this valuable. Do you?    

DaveGreb
47. RE: Invites and Private Sites - not working
Sep 28 2009, 5:22 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 28 2009, 5:22 PM EDT
"Technically, the site will be "viewable by anyone" for a day or two, but the chance that someone outside your company will view is almost 0%."
"Almost 0%" is saying that you acknowledge that it is not 0%.
We need 0%.
Others may want 0%, which will likely result in the same outcome; saying goodbye and good luck to you all.
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Posted Anonymously
48. RE: Invites and Private Sites - not working
Sep 28 2009, 5:23 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 28 2009, 5:23 PM EDT
Key word being 'almost.' This reiterating ad nauseum that it's 'only 2 hours' is not helping. I am still gearing up to move to another wiki site.

This is what I am doing with my private site for the time being: I change to a public site and generate a username and password for persons I know want to join (sign up: create username/sign out; sign up, etc.)--the site is open for about 5 minutes and then changed back to private. Then I email the information to each person. When they sign on they can change their password. The negatives of course are (a) the site is open for public viewing, (b) members do not get to choose their own username, (c) it makes more work for the administrator(s). 2  out of 2 found this valuable. Do you?    
Baby_Apple
Baby_Apple
49. RE: Invites and Private Sites - not working
Sep 28 2009, 5:44 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 28 2009, 5:44 PM EDT
There is no web host that offers 100% security. There is always the risk of a password guess, or an attack on the web server. Do you find this valuable?    
jennyt2
jennyt2
50. RE: Invites and Private Sites - not working
Sep 28 2009, 6:06 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 28 2009, 6:06 PM EDT
"Key word being 'almost.' This reiterating ad nauseum that it's 'only 2 hours' is not helping. I am still gearing up to move to another wiki site.

This is what I am doing with my private site for the time being: I change to a public site and generate a username and password for persons I know want to join (sign up: create username/sign out; sign up, etc.)--the site is open for about 5 minutes and then changed back to private. Then I email the information to each person. When they sign on they can change their password. The negatives of course are (a) the site is open for public viewing, (b) members do not get to choose their own username, (c) it makes more work for the administrator(s). "
great minds think alike. i have used the same process with the whole oy our year 9 students. yes it is a bit more work but i am in control of usernames and they are already signed up which makes it easire for them to sign in and then thay can change password to suit. Do you find this valuable?    

Posted Anonymously
51. RE: Invites and Private Sites - not working
Sep 29 2009, 3:06 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 29 2009, 3:06 PM EDT
"bonarioj - I would appreciate an email from you with alternative hosting sites. This is a huge problem for us too.

I have created several private sites and my two most active private sites (which are starting to get momentum) are, as of today, expressing that we need to move sites. None of my administrators want to open up the site to public, waiting for someone to log in, while the site has material on it sensitive to the group. We are all professionals, and no one is sitting around monitoring whether the list of invitees is complete. The posted work-around is fine for a few people and few invites. Opening up sensitive material to the Public is a much more significant issue.

It took months for me to get the third group to trust that the Private functionality was truly private. Any public exposure will lose this group immediately, and I feel obligated to inform them of such.

Also bothersome was that I just recently wasted a lot of time trying to explain the process, not having a clue that the process changed somewhat severely.

Jeremy, I don't get the comment that advertisers are concerned. I get advertising on all of my private sites when I use IE. I also think that if you lose me as a champion who promotes Wetpaint because of the private issues posted here, you will lose my word of mouth on Wetpaint Public. If this holds true with other creators that champion Wetpaint, you may be underestimating your losses; which I would think will alienate advertisers.

I don't really understand all the issues you have, but this is significant, and I respectfully ask you to re-consider the change."
First I updated our private site, this took 3 hours. I then spent an hour explaining the private site and the invitation process to our non profit group. Taking calls/emails and researching why it wasn't working took 2 hours. Total time wasted = 6+ and still adding up! Do you find this valuable?    

bonarioj
52. RE: Invites and Private Sites - not working
Sep 29 2009, 4:47 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 29 2009, 4:47 PM EDT
"bonarioj - I would appreciate an email from you with alternative hosting sites. This is a huge problem for us too.
"
We're looking at Google sites. They have a private invitation option and private sites. 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
Baby_Apple
Baby_Apple
53. RE: Invites and Private Sites - not working
Sep 29 2009, 5:14 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 29 2009, 5:14 PM EDT
Please discuss that in private messages. 0  out of 2 found this valuable. Do you?    

DaveGreb
54. RE: Invites and Private Sites - not working
Sep 29 2009, 6:22 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 29 2009, 6:22 PM EDT
"Technically, the site will be "viewable by anyone" for a day or two, but the chance that someone outside your company will view is almost 0%."
Baby Apple, would you please explain this? 0  out of 2 found this valuable. Do you?    

DaveGreb
55. RE: Invites and Private Sites - not working
Sep 29 2009, 6:26 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 29 2009, 6:26 PM EDT
"There is no web host that offers 100% security. There is always the risk of a password guess, or an attack on the web server."
Agreed. But someone has to really make an effort and be really tech savvy. Not like what we will have to do like opening the door on a busy street, walking away and having no idea who is walking in. 0  out of 2 found this valuable. Do you?    

DaveGreb
56. RE: Invites and Private Sites - not working
Sep 29 2009, 6:29 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 29 2009, 6:29 PM EDT
"Please discuss that in private messages."
None of us are happy about what your site has done to us. IMHO, you should be offering us help, not forcing us to fend for ourselves. And there appears to be more changes coming. 0  out of 2 found this valuable. Do you?    
CryingDove
CryingDove
57. RE: Invites and Private Sites - not working
Sep 29 2009, 7:06 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 29 2009, 7:06 PM EDT
"None of us are happy about what your site has done to us. IMHO, you should be offering us help, not forcing us to fend for ourselves. And there appears to be more changes coming."
Dave, I understand your frustration. Help has been offered in this thread a couple of times. I am from NYC,NY. There are several businesses that do not open their doors at all without an appointment. There is a way to control the entry into your site by new members. It doesn't require any more technical savvy that you do not already possess. The amount of time it takes to open your site and for a member to join your site and to close your site would be less than 5 minutes.

You can control who can join your site and when they can join. A simple matter of scheduling.

I posted a link to a page outlining how to do this for a previously in this thread, a person replied back stating the process worked out fine for them.

Having someone nefarious, stumble upon your site during the window of opportunity you have set up for new members to join would in all probabilities never happen. I invite you to look over this page. It is set up for Educators, but you may find it helpful.

http://splats2.wetpaint.com/page/Private+Site+Inviting

Otherwise, there is no other information that can be afforded to you than what can be found within this thread.

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DaveGreb
58. RE: Invites and Private Sites - not working
Sep 29 2009, 8:22 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 29 2009, 8:22 PM EDT
Can you explain Baby Apples post that "Technically, the site will be "viewable by anyone" for a day or two? This is bothersome as it appeared to be in response to opening up the site publicly even for a short period of time; that, there is some latency period after "closing" the site back up. She has not responded to this. 0  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
Baby_Apple
Baby_Apple
59. RE: Invites and Private Sites - not working
Sep 29 2009, 8:23 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 29 2009, 8:43 PM EDT
"Baby Apple, would you please explain this?"
Search engines find sites and add them to their index using robots that browse the web, looking for keywords on web pages. Private sites don't show up on searches, because the information (as well as the keywords) is private and prevents robots from seeing anything. Robots only visit sites once every couple of days - a week. 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
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