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20. RE: Invites and Private Sites - not working
Sep 23 2009, 6:51 PM EDT
To be honest, even if we sent a warning none of you would have really cared. You would still come here and complain that the feature was removed. Some of you at least have to be honest of that. You would just complain about one less thing. What would you have done if Wetpaint had warned you? Do what they suggested? Move to a different free hosting site? For those of you have already began searching for a new free hosting site, then you already have the information on your Wetpaint wiki, right? Just a little copy and paste, it honestly couldn't take any longer than 10 minutes if you have either two tabs or two browsers up. You could take one day out of class to have all your students sign up, I know that could get you a little behind but I find it likely at one point you will find time where you can fit in a missed lecture or what ever you needed to do that day. I don't mean to be rude, but some of you educators are making this sound like this is the easiest job in the world. At your school you maybe have like what, 100 people or a little more breathing down your neck? Wetpaint has about 100,000+ breathing down their neck for the best updates that they can supply. You educators feel like you deserve more? Well think about everything Wetpaint has given you in the past. Wetpaint gave you a free service that allowed you to create your own wiki, they allowed you to have your ads removed for free, they didn't even force you to pay a penny out of your pocket, and a number of hard working employees were fired for your sake. You can never meet the demands of everyone, you must choose the majority and meet the needs of the people. I'm sorry educators, but if removing the invites for private sites will benefit more users in the long run you have to agree that Wetpaint has made an appropriate choice. Once again, I'm not trying to be mean I'm just making a point. 6 out of 14 found this valuable. Do you? |
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21. RE: Invites and Private Sites - not working
Sep 23 2009, 9:37 PM EDT
Honestly! This is a solution? It's not my problem that Wetpaint is understaffed and it takes "a lot of code" to allow private sites to send permissions--this option was already available when I set up my site. I moved my pages from another wiki site to Wetpaint so I could have a private site. This issue of not being able to invite new members to my private site is a deal breaker for me. I'll be moving my site once again and I will definitely not recommend Wetpaint to anyone again.
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22. RE: Invites and Private Sites - not working
Sep 24 2009, 12:23 PM EDT
"Users are not able to join a private site by invitation at this time. The solution is to change your site permissions so that it is not private and invited members will then be able to join. Once the members have joined you can change the site back to private.My group is a volunteer professional organization and we can't open our site AT ALL due to privacy issues, but sometimes we have new team members come in. We won't be able to use your site any more. The decision to stop supporting private sites is completely up to your company, but it will open you up to more competition. You're missing out on a huge market of companies, professional organizations, and other groups who won't be able to use your site for secure internal collaboration. I encourage you to reconsider the long-term effects of this strategy. 9 out of 12 found this valuable. Do you? |
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23. RE: Invites and Private Sites - not working
Sep 24 2009, 3:46 PM EDT
Private wikis that are opened for a few minutes, or even a few hours won't be noticed. Since private wikis don't show up on google or any other search engines until at least a few days after they are made public, there is virtually no risk in the solution I laid out.
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24. RE: Invites and Private Sites - not working
Sep 24 2009, 8:41 PM EDT
"Private wikis that are opened for a few minutes, or even a few hours won't be noticed. Since private wikis don't show up on google or any other search engines until at least a few days after they are made public, there is virtually no risk in the solution I laid out."That will make it better for some. But I don't know how I could coordinate the lives of 25 people on different school, work, and life schedules to all get and respond to invites within one or even two days. And I really don't want to make their e-mail accounts vulnerable. It would kill the community openness and trust it has achieved. If you can think of a solution for a shorter open window period, please post it here! 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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25. RE: Invites and Private Sites - not working
Sep 25 2009, 4:08 PM EDT
"I've talked to our team about this issue and it is unlikely that support for invitations on private sites will be returned. It's looking like the option to send invites from private sites will be completely removed in the near future. There are a few reasons for this:It would have been really nice if all of the private sites were contacted about this change. This is a big deal for our club and we'd have appreciated the notice. 3 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
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26. RE: Invites and Private Sites - not working
Sep 26 2009, 1:38 PM EDT
"I've talked to our team about this issue and it is unlikely that support for invitations on private sites will be returned. It's looking like the option to send invites from private sites will be completely removed in the near future. There are a few reasons for this:I think that it is just another reason why Wetpaint will fail. This is yet another excuse to the users that they do not have the capability to adapt for their users. The user has to adapt around them. Wetpaint has been great for me the past two years, but I am pushing for sharepoint next year. 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Sserrano |
27. RE: Invites and Private Sites - not working
Sep 26 2009, 1:42 PM EDT
It is very obvious that Wetpaint is attempting to get rid of all private sites because they need the advertisements. They are pushing all of the grandfathered educationals sites into becoming payed sites by not promoting that they keep their sites private.
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28. RE: Invites and Private Sites - not working
Sep 26 2009, 1:52 PM EDT
Well who could blame them? If they don't get the advertisements, they will shut down!
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29. RE: Invites and Private Sites - not working
Sep 26 2009, 1:56 PM EDT
Yet another person in the world who blames a teacher. This is what is wrong with education in this country. They are making a huge mistake.
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Baby_Apple |
30. RE: Invites and Private Sites - not working
Sep 26 2009, 6:13 PM EDT
"That will make it better for some. But I don't know how I could coordinate the lives of 25 people on different school, work, and life schedules to all get and respond to invites within one or even two days. And I really don't want to make their e-mail accounts vulnerable. It would kill the community openness and trust it has achieved.You can arrange certain times to open the wiki, so that people in each time zone will have a time to join. For example, Person A, B, C, D, and E will join at 2:00 Person F, G, H, I, and J will join at 5:00 0 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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31. RE: Invites and Private Sites - not working
Sep 26 2009, 6:28 PM EDT
I think that every reply in this thread offers a valid point. The concerns and actions are what they are. How to move forward from this point is where I would like to offer a suggestion. How to invite new members to your private wiki. Here is an outline of instructions on how to1. Send invites 2 Respond to invites 3. Keep track of invites sent and received 4. Set up members into special groups to send information 5. Sort member names 6. Have a personalized structure for member contact. See this page for the instructions http://splats2.wetpaint.com/page/Private+Site+Inviting 3 out of 5 found this valuable. Do you? |
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32. RE: Invites and Private Sites - not working
Sep 26 2009, 11:33 PM EDT
Thanks for the info-last person to find out about this it seems and I am an admin on a private site. The splats2 link did the trick-thank you!
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DaveGreb |
33. RE: Invites and Private Sites - not working
Sep 28 2009, 4:03 PM EDT
"Just ran into this issue today and also wasted over an hour trying to get a user signed in. . . .bonarioj - I would appreciate an email from you with alternative hosting sites. This is a huge problem for us too. I have created several private sites and my two most active private sites (which are starting to get momentum) are, as of today, expressing that we need to move sites. None of my administrators want to open up the site to public, waiting for someone to log in, while the site has material on it sensitive to the group. We are all professionals, and no one is sitting around monitoring whether the list of invitees is complete. The posted work-around is fine for a few people and few invites. Opening up sensitive material to the Public is a much more significant issue. It took months for me to get the third group to trust that the Private functionality was truly private. Any public exposure will lose this group immediately, and I feel obligated to inform them of such. Also bothersome was that I just recently wasted a lot of time trying to explain the process, not having a clue that the process changed somewhat severely. Jeremy, I don't get the comment that advertisers are concerned. I get advertising on all of my private sites when I use IE. I also think that if you lose me as a champion who promotes Wetpaint because of the private issues posted here, you will lose my word of mouth on Wetpaint Public. If this holds true with other creators that champion Wetpaint, you may be underestimating your losses; which I would think will alienate advertisers. I don't really understand all the issues you have, but this is significant, and I respectfully ask you to re-consider the change. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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34. RE: Invites and Private Sites - not working
Sep 28 2009, 4:10 PM EDT
"My group is a volunteer professional organization and we can't open our site AT ALL due to privacy issues, but sometimes we have new team members come in. We won't be able to use your site any more.Nathan, Please see my recent post. I have 2 volunteer professional organization sites and we can't open them up either. Please let me know if you know of any other hosting sites. DaveGreb@GPXinc.com Thanks, Dave Do you find this valuable? |
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35. RE: Invites and Private Sites - not working
Sep 28 2009, 4:13 PM EDT
"Well who could blame them? If they don't get the advertisements, they will shut down! "Chris, I don't understand your comment. I have many private sites, and I see advertising on all of them if I use IE or Firefox without ADbloc Plus. Do you find this valuable? |
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36. RE: Invites and Private Sites - not working
Sep 28 2009, 4:15 PM EDT
Jeremy, please see my recent posts. This won't work for us. We can't have ANY public exposure for any of my sites.
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shadowmlb |
37. RE: Invites and Private Sites - not working
Sep 28 2009, 4:16 PM EDT
| Post edited: Sep 28 2009, 4:18 PM EDT
"Thank you for your comment Dave. It is important to stay clam and collected at a time like this, which is something that you have displayed in your post. On your concerns on advertising. Yes advertisements appear on your private sites, but that restricts the number of people that view them each day. Advertisers want you to see the ads as much as possible, and the less money that Wetpaint will get if they are not viewed. This money is important to go towards updates, allowing you to keep your site up, and paying workers salary. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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38. RE: Invites and Private Sites - not working
Sep 28 2009, 4:18 PM EDT
"Chris, I don't understand your comment. I have many private sites, and I see advertising on all of them if I use IE or Firefox without ADbloc Plus."I don't have any private sites. But everyone is saying the reason they are taking away features on private sites is because they don't have any advertisements. Sorry if I was wrong! Do you find this valuable? |
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39. RE: Invites and Private Sites - not working
Sep 28 2009, 4:19 PM EDT
"Private wikis that are opened for a few minutes, or even a few hours won't be noticed. Since private wikis don't show up on google or any other search engines until at least a few days after they are made public, there is virtually no risk in the solution I laid out."This may be the case for some, and I can see how this kind of thinking gave you the rationale for doing what you did; but you are dead wrong with us. Do you find this valuable? |